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How Meta Is Planning for Elections in 2024

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Re: How Meta Is Planning for Elections in 2024

#21

Here's a twisted thought... There are many things in election systems I don't really understand. One such example is being able to vote while not living in your country of citizenship for a very long time. NOTE: I am only using the US here as an example. The issue is likely present in many other nations. I have a friend who moved his entire family to Australia twenty-five years ago. They have no intention to return t…

> Say you vote for a tax increase. Everyone pays. You don't.

US citizens who live outside the US and earn money outside the US still pay US taxes.

Also, people don't become US citizens by staying here a certain amount of time.

Re: How Meta Is Planning for Elections in 2024

#22

Here's a twisted thought... There are many things in election systems I don't really understand. One such example is being able to vote while not living in your country of citizenship for a very long time. NOTE: I am only using the US here as an example. The issue is likely present in many other nations. I have a friend who moved his entire family to Australia twenty-five years ago. They have no intention to return t…

> Imagine a scenario where a nation with billions of people under totalitarian regime sends millions of people to another nation. They instruct them to stay there long enough to become citizens of that nation. In the US that would be about two years.

Not how the US immigration works. For certain specific countries 2 years is a complete fantasy (perhaps for reasons you describe, no idea though).

I know people who lived here for over ten years waiting for a green card. These are people who went to school here, started families, have a steady job paying a ton in taxes, and yet are still nowhere close to being a citizen. Imagine having no real connection to any other country and still getting anxious every time you cross the border.

Re: How Meta Is Planning for Elections in 2024

#24

Ffs why do we need arbiters of truth on the internet. We didn't trust in back in the day, why are we under a notion that we can and should trust it today?! Where are people's critical thinking skills?

> Ffs why do we need arbiters of truth on the internet.

Because otherwise people might believe the wrong lies.

Re: How Meta Is Planning for Elections in 2024

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post #22

Here's a twisted thought... There are many things in election systems I don't really understand. One such example is being able to vote while not living in your country of citizenship for a very long time. NOTE: I am only using the US here as an example. The issue is likely present in many other nations. I have a friend who moved his entire family to Australia twenty-five years ago. They have no intention to return t…

> Imagine a scenario where a nation with billions of people under totalitarian regime sends millions of people to another nation. They instruct them to stay there long enough to become citizens of that nation. In the US that would be about two years. Not how the US immigration works. For certain specific countries 2 years is a complete fantasy (perhaps for reasons you describe, no idea though). I know people who live…

Irrelevant.

My post isn't about the US. I said this much in my note at the very top.

Don't argue about irrelevant localized details. If you want to have a conversation about the merits (or lack thereof) of the concept of the dangers of "remote voting" then go at it. Don't divert the conversation towards irrelevant US-specific details.

Re: How Meta Is Planning for Elections in 2024

#26

Here's a twisted thought... There are many things in election systems I don't really understand. One such example is being able to vote while not living in your country of citizenship for a very long time. NOTE: I am only using the US here as an example. The issue is likely present in many other nations. I have a friend who moved his entire family to Australia twenty-five years ago. They have no intention to return t…

> Say you vote for a tax increase. Everyone pays. You don't. US citizens who live outside the US and earn money outside the US still pay US taxes. Also, people don't become US citizens by staying here a certain amount of time.

Same thing I said to the other guy:

Irrelevant. Also, not absolutely true.

My post isn't about the US. I said this much in my note at the very top.

Don't divert the conversation towards irrelevant US-specific details.

Where your statement isn't true is in that there are myriad taxes and other proposals and laws people vote for that only affect someone locally. For example, the dopes in our area voted to tax ever square foot of property that blocks rain from making contact with raw dirt. Someone in Australia could vote for that measure. It would not affect them one bit.

There's so much that never even touches income taxes, which is what would affect people living abroad. And, in reality, there are foreign income tax credits and other rules that change the tax equation for anyone living outside of the US.

And then there's the political/ideological allegiance element I mentioned. A citizen from country A emigrates to country B and retains voting rights in country A. Knowing they are not coming back and wanting to benefit their new country, B, they vote for measures and politicians in country A that would benefit country B.

How is that a good idea?

Again, get away from US-centric thinking here. This is about the general idea of the relationship between countries A and B, when a citizen who can vote in A's elections permanently relocates to country B.

Re: How Meta Is Planning for Elections in 2024

#27

Ffs why do we need arbiters of truth on the internet. We didn't trust in back in the day, why are we under a notion that we can and should trust it today?! Where are people's critical thinking skills?

Back in the day there wasn’t much value in convincing people on the internet that arbiters of truth were needed because there weren’t enough people on the internet to determine political power contests.

There were enough people watching television back in the day to determine political power contests, and hey would you look at that there were arbiters of truth there back in the day.

Re: How Meta Is Planning for Elections in 2024

#28

Here's a twisted thought... There are many things in election systems I don't really understand. One such example is being able to vote while not living in your country of citizenship for a very long time. NOTE: I am only using the US here as an example. The issue is likely present in many other nations. I have a friend who moved his entire family to Australia twenty-five years ago. They have no intention to return t…

Agree on principle, but isn’t this an edge case? Are there enough votes coming from citizens living abroad to matter?

Re: How Meta Is Planning for Elections in 2024

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How far would you extend this? Twitter illegal? Nextdoor illegal? Gaiaonline illegal?

Algorithmic feeds should be illegal. Chronological only.

I used to be in the chronological only camp, but trying to be on twitter where one or two people I follow post like every 30 minutes and other people who's stuff I wanna see has days/weeks/months/years between posts it just doesn't really work out. Facebook has similar problems: I'm a member of a handful of groups and if I set my default feed to chronological using F.B. Purity lots of stuff I would wanna see gets buried.

Tangent: what I really want is a way to only see stuff that people I follow/am friends with made themselves and skip re-tweets, quotes, etc

Re: How Meta Is Planning for Elections in 2024

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How far would you extend this? Twitter illegal? Nextdoor illegal? Gaiaonline illegal?

The onus for validity shouldnt ve on us. Make the argument why they should exist.

That's not how regulation/laws work here.
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