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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Reeks of CEO speak; general bullshit that seems to go against all practical reasoning of the situation. Don't fall for it.

Might you describe CEO speak as not consistently candid?

Not being consistently candid seems like the sort of thing you'd get fired for.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

Occam’s razor. It is a fight of egos and power masked around AI Safety and Q*. Equivalent of politician's "Think about the children".

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #223

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Hacker News represents hackers, not Boards of Directors. The hackers of OpenAI overwhelmingly demanded Sam back. Everyone here should be happy.

Their wallets demanded Sam back. The original, founder hacker lost.

Just the way the users here like it.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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There was a time when Google Translate was the only game in town but now every single time, I find DeepL to be far superior. This can happen to OpenAI? If not, why not? Is some of the research not open? Also, even if DeepL is subjectively better, how did they or someone can do that? I mean some key papers+data+cloud budget to train are the three main ingredients to replicate such a translation model? If yes, that's a…

If you're asking "Could another company make a much better version of their products?" then the answer is a fairly clear yes, it could happen to OpenAI. They have an unknown number of proprietary advancements that give their products the edge (IMO), but it's an incredibly fast moving space with more and more competitors, from fast moving startups and deep-pocketed megacorps.

The impression I get is that if they rested on their laurels for a fairly short time they would be eclipsed.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #35

i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

The best explanation I've read is https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXHMCH7wCxrvKsJyn/openai-fac... and https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXHMCH7wCxrvKsJyn/openai-fac... along with Zvi's overview in https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/sGpBPAPq2QttY4M2H/openai-the...

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #199

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And then we'd witness the market decide whether the company value was provided by its board or its employees

It's a non-profit. It should have no value aside from the mission. The only reason the employees mobilized in their whining and support of a person, whose only skills seems to be raising money and cult of personality, seems to be so that Altman can complete the Trojan horse of the non-profit by getting rid of it now that it has completed the side quest of attracting investors and customers.

Does the Red Cross have value? Does Wikipedia? Does the Linux Foundation?

I think you are confusing profits, valuations, market cap, and value.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #141

There was a time when Google Translate was the only game in town but now every single time, I find DeepL to be far superior. This can happen to OpenAI? If not, why not? Is some of the research not open? Also, even if DeepL is subjectively better, how did they or someone can do that? I mean some key papers+data+cloud budget to train are the three main ingredients to replicate such a translation model? If yes, that's a…

To me, deepL was really amazing back in 2020 and earlier. But ever since big AI releases like ChatGPT, I can't help and feel they're kinda stagnant.

Their model still has the same incorrect repetition issues it's had for years, and their lack of any kind of transparency behind the scenes really makes it feel like it still _is_ the exact same model they've served for years.

Quickly checking their twitter does not seem to reveal many improvements either.

Of course I get that model training can be rather expensive, but I'd really have thought that in the field of AI translations things would be evolving more, especially for a big-ish player like deepL.

If anyone has insights on what they've been up to I'd be really interested to know.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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how is the quora ceo who now runs a competing AI company still on the board?

It seems hard to imagine a board member that is involved in another tech business not having a conceivable conflict of interests. LLMs are on a course to disrupt pretty much all forms of knowledge work after all. Also big implications for hardware manufacturing and supply chains.
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