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Henry Kissinger Has Died

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Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

#51
Man, too bad, I really wanted to see what Kissinger thought of the Israel-Gaza conflict.

RIP Mister. You were a great intellectual.

For anyone else who might care I found yesterday a great take on that conflict by Lawrence Freedman.

[1] https://samf.substack.com/p/why-not-losing-is-not-tantamount

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’ll come. Probably within fifteen minutes or so. The BBC usually takes its time (sometimes to the point of absurdity — more than any other news outlet I can think of).

BBC are asleep.

Well, it is nearly 3 in the morning.

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

#53
In foreign policy you have to walk a line between moralism and realism. Kissinger was too much a realist. But moralism has its dangers too, as we saw with the Bush (Iraq, Afghanistan) and Obama (Libya) administrations.

At any rate, it's hard to think of anyone who is more responsible for the continued post-war global dominance of the US than Henry Kissinger.

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

#54
If you really want to understand the Kissenger era, the best raw source IMO is this:

> "The Oil Kings: How the U.S., Iran, and Saudi Arabia Changed the Balance of Power in the Middle East is a 2011 book by Andrew Scott Cooper"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oil_Kings

> "The book discusses Henry Kissinger, the 1970s oil embargo, and the Iranian Revolution. Cooper had stated that the story on how the U.S. became dependent on Saudi Arabia and how U.S. reliance on oil began was "Less well known" compared to the general understanding of U.S. reliance on oil."

Henry Kissenger along with his British and Gulf Arab partners seem to have invented the concept of petrodollar recycling which has buoyed up the value of the US dollar since about 1975 or so. Balance of payments was a problem and Kissenger said to the Gulf Arabs, "we'll maintain your medieval system of government and the special priviledges of the House of Saud just so long as you keep investing the bulk of those profits back into the US economy (see Saud investments in Uber, today)."

If you read Machiavelli's "the prince" you'll know everything you need to know about Kissenger. Never had an original idea in his whole life.

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

#55

Are we sure? I was beginning to wonder if the afterlife was going to be holding out on this one. Poor taste jokes aside - is there anyone else as directly responsible for as much modern day suffering, who has "gotten away with it" more cleanly in the eyes of the public? I've always found the disconnect between history and legacy to be rather... jarring.

Churchill?

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

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post #35

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/henry-ki... "Henry Kissinger died on Wednesday at his home in Connecticut, his consulting firm said in a statement. The notorious war criminal was 100."

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It doesn't take much intellect to realise that laudable ends* never justify ignominious means.

* see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38468485

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

#59
post #46

I can’t remember if it was Kissinger or Nixon that Hunter S. Thompson claimed required screws to affix their pants to their crooked bodies. Whatever the case, it was incisive and memorable prose.

It was Nixon. The joke doesn't apply to Kissinger because he wasn't a crook.

You're right. Kissinger was way worse.

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

#60

I can understand why people despise Kissinger, but he’s a pretty interesting figure on the whole. Not the best diplomat or Secretary of State we’ve had, but certainly a seminal figure in American foreign policy.

Certainly, but lots of terrible people are also interesting. Kissinger strikes me as a prime example of Lord Acton's dictum at how power corrupts; by any reasonable standard he committed absolutely egregious acts, but because they inured to the USA's strategic benefit, there has never been any political will to hold him accountable. It's like how the US promotes the idea of a 'rules based international order' but habitually diminishes the UN, refuses to participate in the International Criminal Court and so on.
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