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Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

bko wrote: post #156
kaycebasques wrote: post #121

> The fact that we did not lose a single customer will drive us to work even harder for you, and we are all excited to get back to work. I'm not a big customer, but I am starting the process of moving away from OpenAI in response to these events

Why? If the product is useful (it is to me), then why do you care so much as to the internal politics? If it ceases to be useful or something better comes along, sure. But this strikes me as being serially online and involved in drama

> why do you care so much as to the internal politics?

agree and why did they go from internal politics -> external politics (large scale external politics)

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by aaron695 »

kaycebasques wrote: post #121

> The fact that we did not lose a single customer will drive us to work even harder for you, and we are all excited to get back to work. I'm not a big customer, but I am starting the process of moving away from OpenAI in response to these events

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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by avereveard »

LouisvilleGeek wrote: post #150
telotortium wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a tweet that from an engineer at OpenAI that they're working on the problem that ChatGPT has become too "lazy" - generating text that contains a lot of placeholders and expecting people to fill in much more themselves. As for the general brain damage from RLHF and the political bias, no word still.

Can you share a link to that x/tweet?

https://twitter.com/owencm/status/1729778194947973195

It's such a strange thing apparently they can tune gpt4 turbo cleverness up and down on the fly depending current load.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by btbuildem »

notadoc wrote: post #148

ChatGPT is the most impressive tech I've used in years, but it is clearly limited by whatever constraints someone from The Woke Police / Thought Taliban shackled it with. Try to perform completely reasonable requests for information on subjects that are vaguely questioning orthodoxy or The Narrative and it starts repeating itself with patronizing puritanism as if you're listening to a generic politician repeat their…

Care to link to the chat in question? Would be interesting to see.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by bee_rider »

bko wrote: post #156
kaycebasques wrote: post #121

> The fact that we did not lose a single customer will drive us to work even harder for you, and we are all excited to get back to work. I'm not a big customer, but I am starting the process of moving away from OpenAI in response to these events

Why? If the product is useful (it is to me), then why do you care so much as to the internal politics? If it ceases to be useful or something better comes along, sure. But this strikes me as being serially online and involved in drama

If OpenAI decides to change their business model, it might be bad for companies that use them, depending on how they change things. If they are looking unstable, might as well look around.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by solardev »

bedobi wrote: post #35

i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

Even if -- and that's a big if -- it really was just a dispute over alignment (nonprofit vs for-profit, safety, etc.), the board executed it really poorly and completely misjudged their employees' response. They saw the limits of their power / persuasiveness compared to [Altman/the allure of profit/the simple stability and clarity of day-to-day work without a secretive activist board/etc]

Or maybe they already knew the employees weren't on their side, saw no other way to do it, and hoped a sudden and dramatic ouster of the CEO would make the others fall in line? Who knows.

I'd be pretty concerned too if my CEO was doing what I considered a great job and he was suddenly removed for no clear reason. If the board had explained its rationale and provided evidence, maybe some of the employees would've listened. But they didn't... to this day we have no idea what the actual accusation was.

It looks like a failed coup from the outside, and we have no explanations from the people who tried to instigate it.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

karmasimida wrote: post #118
solarkraft wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With his mission?

His mission is super alignment So out of all the companies, possibly only Google can provide a model to him right now to do the alignment work

Google recently cut down the safety team[1]

[1]: https://www.ft.com/content/26372287-6fb3-457b-9e9c-f722027f3...

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by bmitc »

rmbyrro wrote: post #22
pants2 wrote: post #11

Getting fired and rehired throughout five days of history-making corporate incompetence, and Sam's letter is just telling everyone how great they are. Ha.

I think they (OpenAI as a whole) showed themselves as a loyal, cohesive and motivated group. That is not ordinary.

I think you mean they are all frothing at the prospect of throwing the non-profit charter away in exchange for riches.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by p33p »

notadoc wrote: post #148

ChatGPT is the most impressive tech I've used in years, but it is clearly limited by whatever constraints someone from The Woke Police / Thought Taliban shackled it with. Try to perform completely reasonable requests for information on subjects that are vaguely questioning orthodoxy or The Narrative and it starts repeating itself with patronizing puritanism as if you're listening to a generic politician repeat their…

Not sure why you put climate change in quotes, but it would be helpful to provide the prompt and the response. Without doing so and by using "The Woke Police" and "Thought Taliban", you, too, sound like you are coming directly from a political action group.
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