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Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by dugite-code »

wkat4242 wrote: post #44
preya2k wrote: post #6

I'm glad the post states that Roundcube will stay an independent product. Roundcube is on a whole other level in terms of stability and robustness compared to Nextcloud. I'm also glad that the current Nextcloud client will be replaced, because it's not very good right now.

The old product is ok yes. The company is awful, with their roundcube next scam though.

I thought the problem with Roundcube-next was it wasn't run by the roundcube org but separate devs from Kolab? They just made the mistake of endorsing the project

Edit: Yep that's the official position as per this post on the roundcube github https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/issues/6030#issue...

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by jerf »

brazzy wrote: post #199
bityard wrote: post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

>On the plus side, if you're using the docker image, upgrades are a breeze. I've had problems that required fiddly manual interventions twice after updating to a new major version. And what keeps me from using it for anything other than File synching is the lack of a functioning integrated backup mechanism. There is a plugin, but it's unusable shite (tries to keep the entire data in memory, big has been open for year…

One of the things I like about the docker image is just that it absolutely rigidly guarantees that all the state is located only in exactly the directories I specify, and I can be sure of that by construction.

So my Nextcloud backup solution is a cron job that shuts the entire container down and runs a restic job on it, then brings it back up when the backup is complete.

I'm not completely sure that's quite "self-made"; restic is standard enough. The only special sauce is just that I don't even bother with how to handle files that are open, especially with the database. I just shut it all down.

The nice thing is this works with all my docker stuff; the cron job just iterates them one at a time, shutting them down and doing the same standard backup on them all, then bringing them up. I don't need or want a Nextcloud-specific backup mechanism.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by dugite-code »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #55

Comments here seem to suggest that Nextcloud isn't worth it. Later today I'm supposed to talk with some folks at IT looking for an in-house file-sharing/collaboration tool that Dropbox/GoogleDrive is (or was, because after GoogleDrive price hikes our institution ditched them). I was going to suggest Nextcloud as a possible option to investigate...

You should still investigate it. I've used it since the fork from Owncloud and used to curse how slow and buggy it was, turns out I just needed to admin properly. Its a DB heavy PHP application stack, you need to adjust and tune things appropriately. As to complaints about updates breaking things, you need to have a way to test updates prior to deploying to production, just like any other server based application.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by [deleted] »

gpvos wrote: post #71

What I would like to have is a small Nextcloud installation (max. 200MB, preferably even smaller) that I can host on a ultra-cheap tiny server. I just need file sync, calendar and contacts. The total size of the synced files isn't much either. Nextcloud used to be small enough for this, but they kept adding things, bundling word processors and other stuff I don't need, meanwhile making the contacts and calendar optio…

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Post by apitman »

t-writescode wrote: post #159
teekert wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you use a UI to upgrade the underlying container? It's not with docker-compose? If so that feels a bit like an anti-pattern, just like the WordPress container which updates the WP files inside the container itself, the container just contains the webserver, php and database.

The AIO solution creates several docker containers that all get updated through their assisted update process. In general, I've been quite happy with it, myself. I have it running on my Unraid machine. The only problem I have intermittently is when Unraid seems to rename container names in special circumstances. I have to go and recreate the aio container. Otherwise, it's been very smooth sailing for me; and, the AIO…

So you pass in the docker socket and the AIO container runs docker commands on the host?

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by dugite-code »

poisonborz wrote: post #130

Oh no... Roundube was the top selfhosted email client. Nextcloud is great, but having everything and the kitchen sink maintained within and by it is worrying.

Roundcube is still to be it's own separate project. Besides Nextcloud already has it's own webmail client. I imagine they might make it easier to install Roundcube as an APP though. The the existing implementation (that doesn't work for the latest Nextcloud anyway) requires an existing separate Roundcube installation.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by kornhole »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #55

Comments here seem to suggest that Nextcloud isn't worth it. Later today I'm supposed to talk with some folks at IT looking for an in-house file-sharing/collaboration tool that Dropbox/GoogleDrive is (or was, because after GoogleDrive price hikes our institution ditched them). I was going to suggest Nextcloud as a possible option to investigate...

Realize that many people who work for competitor products will bash it here. It is a best of class rather than best of breed solution tailored to organizations who want a secure on prem suite like O365. Some apps are best of breed, but you can find many better alternatives to specific apps. File sharing and collaboration is one of its strongest offerings. I think you will be amazed at all the sharing options available. When you need the tight integration between several apps and central administration, it is a great suite. It changed my life in a good way.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by chatmasta »

dzikimarian wrote: post #155
nfriedly wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> docker image, upgrades are a breeze. Maybe this has been improved, but I remember thinking that and then it biting me because updating to the latest image (linuxserver/nextcloud) wasn't actually updating nextcloud itself, just the environment (php, etc.) When I realized this, I had to go through several major nextcloud upgrades, incrementally going from one major version to the next. Then it bit me again a few mont…

Don't use linuxserver images. My feeling is they were done by someone who doesn't understand docker very well. Frequent use of supervisor, lack of logs on stdout, weird automagic config approach. It may feel convenient if someone did homelab without docker, but will bite you in the long run.

They work great for stateless services that you don't modify for your use case. I've had a wireguard server and client container, both based on linuxserver/wireguard, in a fairly weird setup within Nomad, running in production for over a year with no issues.

The trick was to isolate the weirdness in the wgconf files, the permissions of the containers, and their shared netns (a nomad group, in this case, with its netns configs tweaked by a startup script). The Dockerfile is simply FROM linuxserver/wireguard:latest.

(It's wrapped in a Dockerfile so its rebuilds are limited to when we rebuild our images (every commit), but AFAIU the linuxservers setup, it can also pull in wireguard updates at runtime.)

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