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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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This line is really interesting: > The best interests of the company and the mission always come first. That is absolutely not true for the nonprofit inc. The mission comes first. Full stop. The company (LLC) is a means to that end. Very interested to see how this governance situation continues to change.

There's absolutely no sense in talking about OpenAI as a nonprofit at this point. The new board and Altman talk about the governance structure changing, and I strongly believe they will maximize their ability to run it as a for-profit company. 100x profit cap is a very large number on an $80 billion valuation.

Ya, it's a joke at this point. Better they just kill the non-profit and stop pretending.

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So even if you maintain strict board control, the money people can still kick you out. Incredible!

Not the "money people", but the extremely bad way they removed Altman, I think. It made it easy to sway employees to Altman's favor and pressure the board. If the employees were not cohesive on Altman's side, he probably wouldn't be back...

Yeah, I think this was "700 out of 730 employees signed a letter saying they'd quit, over a holiday weekend". OpenAI with no employees is not worth a whole lot.

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Is the new board going to fix the product? It seems completely nerfed at present.

There was a tweet that from an engineer at OpenAI that they're working on the problem that ChatGPT has become too "lazy" - generating text that contains a lot of placeholders and expecting people to fill in much more themselves. As for the general brain damage from RLHF and the political bias, no word still.

Using the api, I've been seeing this a lot with the gpt-4-turbo preview model, but no problems with the non-turbo gpt-4 model. So I'll assume ChatGPT is now using 4-turbo. It seems the new model has some kinks to work out--I've also personally seen noticeably reduced reasoning ability for coding tasks, increased context-forgetting, and much worse instruction-following.

So far it feels more like a gpt-3.75-turbo rather than really being at the level of gpt-4. The speed and massive context window are amazing though.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Getting fired and rehired throughout five days of history-making corporate incompetence, and Sam's letter is just telling everyone how great they are. Ha.

I think they (OpenAI as a whole) showed themselves as a loyal, cohesive and motivated group. That is not ordinary.

> loyal

Loyalty can be blinding.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Technically no, but when 90% of their employees threatened to quit, they would just be the board of nothing.

The board was a non profit board serving the mission. Mission was foremost. Employees are not. One of the comments a member made was, if the company was destroyed, it would still be consistent with serving the mission. Which is right. The fallout showed non-profit missions can't co-exist with for-profit incentives. And the power that investors were exerting, and employees (who would also benefit from the recent 70B r…

> One of the comments a member made was, if the company was destroyed, it would still be consistent with serving the mission. Which is right.

I know you're quoting the (now-gone) board member, but this is a ridiculous take. By this standard, Google should have dissolved in 2000 ("Congrats everyone, we didn't be evil!"). Doctors would go away too ("Primum non nocere -- you're all dismissed!").

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