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Re: PgAdmin 4 v8.0

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It's not a good UI, at least not on Mac. It's kind of clunky, confusing and slow. I don't know if there are many better free alternatives though.

psql and the meta commands like \d to view schema of a table, combined with your regular text editor and \i is IMO the greatest postgres UI. I spend a lot of time there though so I can see the appeal of a gui for someone who only occasionally looks around in the db.

pgcli is also a great middleground between psql and gui

Re: PgAdmin 4 v8.0

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I *love* postgresql but pgadmin is a big nope. I keep hoping someday...

1. UI remains klunky/ugly AF. Beyond aesthetics, you lost me when I can't copy/paste text from the UI e.g. error messages... the new connection screen (a user's first experience) are super klunky and don't get started about setting up an SSH tunnel... crazy error messages.

2. system stats requires an extension... that's not available in AWS RDS... wtf?

3. there is no 3 - pgadmin already lost me because these things are too easy to "get right" and I'm not going to give it more time when there's lots of other tools.

pgadmin team - sorry!!!

Re: PgAdmin 4 v8.0

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I still reach for PgAdmin for explain plains. I think the visuals are really nice and help me make sense of things. I've not seen something better.

But for everything else, jetbrains / datagrip etc is just infinitely nicer to use.

Re: PgAdmin 4 v8.0

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I *love* postgresql but pgadmin is a big nope. I keep hoping someday... 1. UI remains klunky/ugly AF. Beyond aesthetics, you lost me when I can't copy/paste text from the UI e.g. error messages... the new connection screen (a user's first experience) are super klunky and don't get started about setting up an SSH tunnel... crazy error messages. 2. system stats requires an extension... that's not available in AWS RDS..…

I disagree. I use pgAdmin all the time. It is a very decent web application for doing typical admin stuff. If you need a fully powered desktop SQL integrated development environment there are surely better options out there but that's beside the point. Also, people operating inside a heterogeneous intranet infrastructure often don't have the option to install programs. But they surely have a web browser.

Re: PgAdmin 4 v8.0

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Hey, you don't need to bash pgadmin that hard. I also have issues with it, but it's not really worse than that much other software.

It even seems nicer than some other software in some aspects - it can actually be surprisingly and refreshingly fast (once loaded) and interactions I don't expect to work often enough actually do (like editing displayed values).

Sure, it could be more intuitive. But it's not all that bad.

Re: PgAdmin 4 v8.0

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You know, pgAdmin seems fine to me. About on par with MySQL Workbench (that one has nice ERD features and reverse/forward engineering), maybe a bit better in regards to just messing around with SQL code. Sometimes there's even nice unexpected surprises, I think there was a visualization of geospatial data when working with PostGIS even.

That said, I haven't found the one RDBMS tool that I'd absolutely love, along the lines of the "aha" moment I got when working on large Java codebases in IntelliJ IDEA, or using VS Code for throwing something smaller together quickly, or even using GitKraken for making Git palatable, or MobaXTerm for SSH and RDP/VNC/SFTP sessions.

pgAdmin and MySQL Workbench are both okay, but not amazing (even when autocomplete isn't broken in either). DataGrip by JetBrains somehow feels a bit clunky to me. DbVis is perhaps the best one I've seen for visualization, but that's all it does well. There's also Open Jail which is great for exploring datasets... but there's no tool that does pretty much everything in a way that is satisfying and lets me fly through tasks.

I'm still glad that there are options, though. DataGrip supporting lots of different RDBMSes is already a good thing, as are the more specialized options like pgAdmin.

Re: PgAdmin 4 v8.0

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It's not a good UI, at least not on Mac. It's kind of clunky, confusing and slow. I don't know if there are many better free alternatives though.

psql and the meta commands like \d to view schema of a table, combined with your regular text editor and \i is IMO the greatest postgres UI. I spend a lot of time there though so I can see the appeal of a gui for someone who only occasionally looks around in the db.

psql is good but how do you manage long multi line queries and saved collections of queries to reuse? or connections to multiple databases?

Re: PgAdmin 4 v8.0

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

psql and the meta commands like \d to view schema of a table, combined with your regular text editor and \i is IMO the greatest postgres UI. I spend a lot of time there though so I can see the appeal of a gui for someone who only occasionally looks around in the db.

psql is good but how do you manage long multi line queries and saved collections of queries to reuse? or connections to multiple databases?

I keep queries in .sql files in git repo. I run longer queries by writing them in a file and including/running it with \i. There's also \e to open $PSQL_EDITOR.

Re: PgAdmin 4 v8.0

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Could you be more specific - what's crap about it? I found it awesome that I can host it on a server similar to phpmyadmin and give out access to my staff. And the app itself is very good IMHO. The developers have full admin access to their computers, but not the DBAs and the Business Analysts. They can't install anything on their computers. So giving them an URL to work with was a huge win. If you want something lik…

Capabilities are great, but it's not great as a desktop app. I'm constantly fighting against the UI -- the behavior of tabs for instance.

i have the same issue. it doesn't feel natural.
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