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Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by xp84 »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #121
xp84 wrote: post #118

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> I also use round cube > [ their useless UX designers ruined it ] Why do you have to wait for someone to fork it? Can’t you just not update to the bad version? I thought that was a major appeal of hosting your own email client like this. And given the email protocols won’t ever change, I would assume it’ll continue working the same for a decade or more. (My only guess is a security worry, but this seems like a rathe…

A self-hosted personal server very much needs to be kept up to date. This isn't a "state-level actor" issue; any vulnerabilities in software like this, especially in software that someone might not update in a timely fashion, will get scanned for automatically and exploited when found. In theory , the portions that are only accessible with authentication are less security sensitive if you have only a small set of tru…

Hmm. I was imagining a personal server. If I were hosting a webmail client personally, I wouldn't expose it to inbound connections from the Internet at all, preferring to keep such a thing inside my LAN and via VPN only.

Clearly I overassumed though, because you're right, when it could be that one would have such a thing accessible to a small team of people who don't use a VPN.

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Post by geraldhh »

creshal wrote: post #57
manmal wrote: post #39

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Do you have recommendations for a self hosted webDAV server that could act as a Dropbox / GDrive replacement? I‘m using Nextcloud only for that use case because I haven’t found anything that seemed as stable.

There's solid SFTP clients for every OS (even Android!) and all it requires on the server is the already installed OpenSSH, so I never really saw the need to look into webDAV.

all sorts of network security appliances in foreign networks make reliance on ssh a futile endeavor. webdav works over standard ports with standard tooling (web browser)

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Post by haroldp »

jordemort wrote: post #65

I really want to like Nextcloud. I had it all set up perfectly earlier this year with their "AIO" setup. Then some upgrade came along and completely destroyed my install, couldn't get the containers to start after that, couldn't figure out how to debug it; seemed like the only way to get it back on its feet was to wipe and start over. I wiped; I haven't started over yet.

> couldn't get the containers to start after that, couldn't figure out how to debug it

Docker monoculture and it's consequences.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by robertlagrant »

nik736 wrote: post #111
robertlagrant wrote: post #56

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If you need all of them, and can wait 5-12 hours, that appears to be free to request and transfer? Or am I misreading[0]? [0] https://aws.amazon.com/s3/glacier/pricing/#Retrieval_request... <- under "Bulk"

Free retrieval pricing, but not free transfer. Transfer is starting at $0.09 per GB :-)

Aaaah I see : - ) still, if it's only very occasional "do you remember that photo?" queries, that shouldn't add up to any significant cost. But a full retrieval - yeah. Interesting how the price ramps up!

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Post by josteink »

zeagle wrote: post #150
josteink wrote: post #137

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I’ve had it bork my install so many times that in the end I spent more time recovering nextcloud than actually using it. My instance is dead now, after I failed to recover it the last time and couldn’t be bothered anymore. YMMV, but I’m out.

That sucks. I'd be frustrated too. For me it just hosts calendar and contacts for a few users and my files are in seafile so perhaps the small footprint helps. In what way did it break, I want to keep an eye out for this.

It was a custom-built LXC container I built on an Alpine Linux base.

I used the Alpine packages to upgrade it, then afterwards I used the Nextcloud admin scripts to migrate the schema, apps & plugins.

Biggest clusterfuck I’ve ever dealt with. Not doing that again.

TBF the Alpine-setup probably made everything worse, and that’s a lesson learned, but I’m just fed up and can’t bother setting up a new instance now.

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Post by lhoff »

coolliquidcode wrote: post #145
botanical wrote: post #119

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Nextcloud looks clunky but it certainly isn't heavyweight

Isn't it PHP based. I worry about anything written in that turd of a language.

But so is Roundcube.

OT: please (re)read the HN Guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by seszett »

digging wrote: post #154
jackothy wrote: post #148

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Would it work to set the folder type to "Send Only" on the phone and to "Receive Only" on the server? See https://docs.syncthing.net/v1.26.0/users/foldertypes

No, the issue is that send-only sends all modifications, including file deletion. I wanted it to only send new files, but couldn't find a way to do that.

https://docs.syncthing.net/advanced/folder-ignoredelete.html

It works well enough in a backup system, where the issue explained on the page isn't relevant.

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Post by Zetobal »

neurostimulant wrote: post #139
Zetobal wrote: post #135

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You wrote it yourself "might be implemented half-arsed in Gsuite or O365". You can be sure it's half-arsed with nextcloud. For smaller deployments it might be fine but it starts to get bogged down with more than 1000 users.

NextCloud is just your typical PHP & MySQL webapp. The scaling limit is how many connections your database server can handles and how much iops your disk provides.

They are advertising a enterprise ready solution and it's clearly not. No matter how much hardware you throw at it.

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Post by mulmen »

bityard wrote: post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

What happened to modern UX design? In the 90s it was driven by hard science and serving users. Now it feels like a competition to prevent anyone from accomplishing even the simplest task. Why do modern UX designers have such contempt for their users?

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Post by encom »

bityard wrote: post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

>docker image, upgrades are a breeze

I'm running on "bare metal" Digital Ocean VPS (like god intended), and I just use the web-based updater and it works well. APT on Debian handles everything else.

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