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Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by ohthehugemanate »

collegeburner wrote: post #115
phpisthebest wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

12-18mos before that changes. no company in the world is going to maintain 2 separate software products that compete with each other. They will be merged, my prediction is 12 to 18 mos

which sucks bc nextcloud is an ugly, heavyweight beast of a suite to run. whereas roundcube i'm happy running it on my lightweight el cheapo VPS.

Heavyweight? I run it (with all the collab suite features, photo galleries, and ai integrations) on a single RPi4 along with several other applications. But then I only have a handful of users...

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by sweetjuly »

robertlagrant wrote: post #41
milliams wrote: post #18

It's just a shame that the $100k that was raised for "RoundCube Next" ( https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/roundcube-next--2 ) back in 2015 produced exactly nothing ( https://github.com/roundcube-next ) with no explanation.

What a shame! There's some info on the Wikipedia page[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundcube#Project_.22Roundcube...

The GitHub issue talking about this [1] is such a mess too. Maintainers closing the question with a vague non-answer, deleting comments left and right, etc. Sounds like someone stole the money and everyone is either complicit or too embarrassed to admit that it happened.

[1] https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/issues/6030

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by bityard »

zikduruqe wrote: post #93
bityard wrote: post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

> if you're using the docker image, upgrades are a breeze. Just bump the tag on the image, redeploy, and you're done. Or you could just run Watchtower beside it and it will automatically update your docker containers. https://github.com/containrrr/watchtower If you are OK with automated updates.

This is software that I rely on for my day-to-day tasks. I've had upgrades break things SO MANY times, that I never do an upgrade of "production" without specifically setting aside at least 30 to 60 minutes of time to deal with any potential fallout.

If we were talking about a video game, or some kind of testing/QA environment, then sure, automatic unattended upgrades would be fine.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by privong »

josteink wrote: post #137
zeagle wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I run it baremetal. No issues at all.

I’ve had it bork my install so many times that in the end I spent more time recovering nextcloud than actually using it. My instance is dead now, after I failed to recover it the last time and couldn’t be bothered anymore. YMMV, but I’m out.

> I’ve had it bork my install so many times that in the end I spent more time recovering nextcloud than actually using it.

I had issues with upgrading a few times on a modest VPS, when trying to upgrade via the web interface. I've since switched to upgrading via ssh by running the `updater.phar` script[0] and haven't experienced an issue upgrading since.

I of course don't know if this would've avoided the issues you experienced, @josteink, but I wanted to mention it in case others have a similar problem to what I had.

[0] https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/mainte...

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by coolliquidcode »

botanical wrote: post #119
collegeburner wrote: post #115

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which sucks bc nextcloud is an ugly, heavyweight beast of a suite to run. whereas roundcube i'm happy running it on my lightweight el cheapo VPS.

Nextcloud looks clunky but it certainly isn't heavyweight

Isn't it PHP based. I worry about anything written in that turd of a language.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by digging »

jmnicolas wrote: post #25
youdontknowjuli wrote: post #14

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I really tried to make Nextcloud work for me but it was too much. I‘ll pay the enshittified Dropbox premium soon. Some bugs I encountered in a few hours of testing and trying to make it work. The Mac auto-update installs an incompatible version to my OS; the website offers only the new incompatible and an old version that also doesn’t work (OS can not scan the app). The solution is to find a suitable version from a h…

If Dropbox is all you need you might be satisfied with Syncthing. I have used it for a week now, it works well and I have the warm fuzzy feeling that nobody is using my data to make a few bucks (I'm self hosting it on a home server).

I might have been too stupid to figure it out, but I found Syncthing unusable because I couldn't set up a basic "backup" style sync. That is, anything I added to my phone folder would get synced one-way to my computer... and anything I deleted from that folder would also get synced one-way to my computer. This forced me to maintain my entire photo library on my phone, which of course is exactly what I was trying to avoid.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by nfriedly »

jax_the_dog wrote: post #138
nfriedly wrote: post #123

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> docker image, upgrades are a breeze. Maybe this has been improved, but I remember thinking that and then it biting me because updating to the latest image (linuxserver/nextcloud) wasn't actually updating nextcloud itself, just the environment (php, etc.) When I realized this, I had to go through several major nextcloud upgrades, incrementally going from one major version to the next. Then it bit me again a few mont…

Having just dealt with this… can you share that automation?

So, the script I have is just this:

    sudo -u abc php /data/www/nextcloud/updater/updater.phar --no-interaction
Although, it looks like I need to add this also:

    occ db:add-missing-indices
And, I thought I had it in my crontab, but now I don't see the job there. I haven't touched it in months, and I'm on the latest version of nextcloud, so presumably it's still working. But I honestly can't remember how I set it up.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by jackothy »

digging wrote: post #146
jmnicolas wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Dropbox is all you need you might be satisfied with Syncthing. I have used it for a week now, it works well and I have the warm fuzzy feeling that nobody is using my data to make a few bucks (I'm self hosting it on a home server).

I might have been too stupid to figure it out, but I found Syncthing unusable because I couldn't set up a basic "backup" style sync. That is, anything I added to my phone folder would get synced one-way to my computer... and anything I deleted from that folder would also get synced one-way to my computer. This forced me to maintain my entire photo library on my phone, which of course is exactly what I was trying to a…

Would it work to set the folder type to "Send Only" on the phone and to "Receive Only" on the server?

See https://docs.syncthing.net/v1.26.0/users/foldertypes

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by stracer »

velcrovan wrote: post #67
preya2k wrote: post #6

I'm glad the post states that Roundcube will stay an independent product. Roundcube is on a whole other level in terms of stability and robustness compared to Nextcloud. I'm also glad that the current Nextcloud client will be replaced, because it's not very good right now.

The first and only time I had a server hacked was due to a RoundCube vulnerability in 2006. Just a month ago there was news of a RoundCube XSS zero-day that was widely exploited ( https://cyberpedia.medium.com/state-sponsored-cyberattacks-l... ). Don’t use RoundCube!

By this logic, you should recommend that people don't use computers.

All software has vulnerabilities. The trick is to install it in a way which mitigates most of the typical ones: use VMs, SELINUX/APPARMOR, containers, chroots, user separations, etc.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by zeagle »

josteink wrote: post #137
zeagle wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I run it baremetal. No issues at all.

I’ve had it bork my install so many times that in the end I spent more time recovering nextcloud than actually using it. My instance is dead now, after I failed to recover it the last time and couldn’t be bothered anymore. YMMV, but I’m out.

That sucks. I'd be frustrated too. For me it just hosts calendar and contacts for a few users and my files are in seafile so perhaps the small footprint helps. In what way did it break, I want to keep an eye out for this.
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