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The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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> If your land was occupied by an invading force armed and financed by the US and its allies would you sit back and do nothing while that force murdered your people and stole your property, or would you have done exactly what Hamas did on October the 7th? No, I would have accepted one of the many peace proposals the other side offered. Regardless, your framing of how there are only two binary options – (1) doing noth…

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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The left scroll wheel can: play/pause/next/previous/vol up/down in Normal mode If you press the wiper button on the steering wheel it can change wiper speed Long press is a custom function When there's a call it answers/declines, mute/unmute, and ends a call The right one actives autosteer/tacc/fsd, adjusts follow distance and max speed There's 3 buttons for left/right/high beam on the left, and on the right, buttons…

> When there's a call it answers/declines, mute/unmute, and ends a call Literally do not care about a phone call when it is raining. Hopefully, it at least has coyote time on it so when you adjust the wiper speed it will ignore a phone call. > Not sure I need a button for steering wheel tilt, should only be when stopped. I've had to adjust while driving. I don't remember for what reason, but I know I've had to do it…

> coyote time

Great term! Hadn't heard that before but it's just the sort of thing I wish more interrupt-driven UI changes had.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Yes, but it's also Iran . What you're not getting is the "mortal enemy moving a war machine right at your gates" bit.

What you are failing to comprehend is that the United States has a policy of enforcing international naval freedom, and routinely transits international waters near many nations. The US has no issue with any vessel's location in international waters, regardless of what nation.

Would the US have any issue if Iran had more and more powerful vessels than the US Navy, all encircling NYC in international waters?

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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> It's not something that can be changed on airbus cockpits You'd need to run cables between them and redesign the sticks to have mechanical hooks, and it'd be a very ugly hack, but it's hardly impossible.

Impossible for it to still be viable for a commercial airliner competing on costs, especially long term upkeep costs. Not impossible for an unlimited budget.

I think the biggest no-nos on this hack would be that it'd need to be certified and since it fundamentally changes the UI for the pilots, everyone would need to be retrained.

The hack itself would be a small detail line on the overall budget for the changes.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Especially with an element of "I might personally get blown up" involved.

With proper training, that should be irrelevant. They probably had second thoughts, but they got confirmation that contact 4474 was descending rapidly.

No amount of training is likely to completely remove human factors. It helps, sometimes a lot, but there's always going to be a bit of a difference thinking actual ordinance is currently headed directly at you.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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> every large aircraft in the world is equipped with a device called an IFF -- "identification friend or foe." This is weird, I'm sure I don't have all the facts. In a conflict, why would a military aircraft ever want to identify itself?

So you don't get shot down by your own air defense

- as demonstrated by more than one aircraft since the war in Ukraine began.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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I wonder when a tesla will show up in a courtroom with a situation like this. I'm not talking about autopilot. I'm talking about the continuous (past ridiculous) removal of physical controls from their vehicles. For example, the original model S/X had dedicated controls for lots of functions - turn signals, gear shift, wipers, autopilot, steering wheel tilt, etc. On the steering wheel, there were two buttons and a sc…

> there are NO stalks. turn signals are touch areas on the steering wheel. so are high beams, horn, wipers I didn't realize how important wipers were till last winter. I was on a 2-lane road at highway speed going into a turn. There had been light snow the previous day which was thawed on the roads, so it was wet and muddy conditions. A truck in the oncoming lane either hit a puddle or otherwise deposited a large spl…

I'm not a fan of the removal of the stalks, but this deserves clarification.

On the 2017-2023 Model 3, there's a button at the end of the left stalk that immediately activates the wiper. It's basically a mist button, which is also common on most every other car I've driven. So you can always get the wipers to activate instantly without getting anywhere near the touchscreen.

On the 2024 Model 3, with no stalks, there is a steering wheel button on the right that serves the same function. Push for mist, hold for wash. Same as the button on the pre-2024 model.

Stalkless is probably still going to be a deal killer for me, but still.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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> I also destroyed my transmission by putting it in park at high speed. Worth it. absolutely not worth it. modern cars (ie, anything with abs and disk brakes) achieve maximum deceleration when you mash the brake pedal and allow the car to modulate the clamping force. using the emergency brake and putting the car in park just locks up the wheels. the whole point of abs is to avoid this. you destroyed your transmission…

You don't seem to understand the point of ABS brakes. The way to achieve maximum deceleration in a car IS to lock up the wheels. The reason ABS brakes exist is because when the wheels are locked, the car is sliding as opposed to rolling, which causes the car to skid instead of turn when you turn the steering wheel. Average drivers tend to struggle with this and end up spinning out of control. So ABS brakes pump the b…

I'm not sure this is true. Yes, steerability is the main benefit of ABS, but I think bringing wheels from a slight roll to skid absorbs more energy (through deformation of the rubber) then just skidding along would under the same time frame. I.e. ABS does marginally decrease stopping distance -- at least on asphalt -- compared to plain skidding friction.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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post #259

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" Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (What would be interesting is hearing more about the Aegis design team, if you want to share)

Nice try, but my complaint illustrates the issue. Im not complaining about white button text, Im complaining about the awful UX of "twitter threads", which all of the twitter clones seem to have blindly adopted, instead of taking the opportunity to improve on it.

We have the rule because people often complain about UI annoyances and there isn't any new information in that—especially after it has been repeated countless thousands of times.

I rather agree with you about the UI annoyance stuff but HN threads get super boring when things like this are repeated all the time instead of discussion focusing on the interesting parts of an article.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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post #281

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The left scroll wheel can: play/pause/next/previous/vol up/down in Normal mode If you press the wiper button on the steering wheel it can change wiper speed Long press is a custom function When there's a call it answers/declines, mute/unmute, and ends a call The right one actives autosteer/tacc/fsd, adjusts follow distance and max speed There's 3 buttons for left/right/high beam on the left, and on the right, buttons…

> When there's a call it answers/declines, mute/unmute, and ends a call Literally do not care about a phone call when it is raining. Hopefully, it at least has coyote time on it so when you adjust the wiper speed it will ignore a phone call. > Not sure I need a button for steering wheel tilt, should only be when stopped. I've had to adjust while driving. I don't remember for what reason, but I know I've had to do it…

> I slammed on the brakes, pulled the emergency brake, and threw the car into park. I stopped with less than an inch between me and the train.

Something has to be very wrong with your car if this is required. The emergency brake is just an element of the regular brakes, and the parking pawl is laughably flimsy (it shouldn't engage anyway, it should just skip loudly over the detents if you try to throw the transmission into park while moving).

All you should ever need to do is stand on the brakes. Try to put that pedal through the floor. Don't waste time reaching for transmission levers or emergency brakes, keep both hands on the wheel to maintain control and use your foot to provide maximum stopping power. If your regular brakes are the limit, something is very wrong. Your tires should be the stopping limit.

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