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Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

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Re: Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

#21
Resume tricks like this are nonsense. Are there recruiters who are swayed by things like this? Sure. Do you want to work for those companies? Probably not.

Stop shotgunning your resume to dozens of companies. Research a few companies where you might actually want to work. Do this from time to time even if you aren't looking; don't wait until you are desperate for work. And the most important thing is to actually have something to offer. If you do the bare minimum and accomplish very little, you probably aren't going to trick some great company into hiring you with resume tricks.

Re: Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

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I'm generally confused by how much "ATS-friendly" matters, or what that even means. On one side of the coin, it logically makes sense that ATS systems would help recruiters pare down the list. I'd assume there is some auto-rejection happening, but how sensitive is it (getting rid of clearly unqualified candidates vs. rejecting marginal candidates vs. actually qualified but still rejected due to not being ATS-friendly…

As for someone looking for a new position, I can give you anecdotal evidence.

A little background: I have 10+ years of professional experience. Polyglot. Experience with extremely small to medium sized companies.

I re-used my previous resume, which did decently well around 2019 when I was looking for a new position, but with updated info for the newest position I had. Applied to a number positions that I was very qualified for -- crickets. This put me in a bad spot mentally, honestly, as it felt like signals that I'm just not "good enough" for fancy "big tech".

I then updated my resume layout to be more parseable (admittedly this is another variable), then signed up for a service that helps ATS-ify my resume. This involved adding numbers to certain line items, reduce repetition, honestly some good feedback in general. Immediate recruiter messages the next day.

I was extremely averse to using a service like this as it just felt "dirty" or was a sign of my personal ethics "giving in" to some sort of system. Honestly, I still kind of feel that way, but this is the game we play now. I know for a fact I've been auto-rejected from a number of roles that I was 100%+ qualified for because of my resume.

Re: Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

#23
post #4

I'm generally confused by how much "ATS-friendly" matters, or what that even means. On one side of the coin, it logically makes sense that ATS systems would help recruiters pare down the list. I'd assume there is some auto-rejection happening, but how sensitive is it (getting rid of clearly unqualified candidates vs. rejecting marginal candidates vs. actually qualified but still rejected due to not being ATS-friendly…

ATS optimisation is absolutely critical these days, at least in tech. With the amount of applications you receive, the easiest first step is looking for a way to exclude someone. If your ATS can't even parse someone's CV properly, that's a great way to exclude it from consideration. The next level is keyword matching. If your ATS can't find any of the keywords from your listing in the CV, another easy exclusion. The…

Before anyone gets too excited about keyword stuffing with white text and such: supposedly ATS systems detect this and dock you for it, though I've never heard proof either way.

Re: Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

#24

Resume tricks like this are nonsense. Are there recruiters who are swayed by things like this? Sure. Do you want to work for those companies? Probably not. Stop shotgunning your resume to dozens of companies. Research a few companies where you might actually want to work. Do this from time to time even if you aren't looking; don't wait until you are desperate for work. And the most important thing is to actually have…

Unfortunately this doesn't line up with reality. "Tricks" like these are needed to get through the nonsensical recruitment/HR obstacle course for many companies.

Re: Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ATS optimisation is absolutely critical these days, at least in tech. With the amount of applications you receive, the easiest first step is looking for a way to exclude someone. If your ATS can't even parse someone's CV properly, that's a great way to exclude it from consideration. The next level is keyword matching. If your ATS can't find any of the keywords from your listing in the CV, another easy exclusion. The…

> If your ATS can't even parse someone's CV properly, that's a great way to exclude it from consideration. Why? Is there some official CV format that applicants are expected to follow, which is guaranteed to be parsable by ATS, so that un-ATS-parsable CV shows incapability of following rules?

Look at it from the other perspective.

You're looking for a new senior developer, starting in the next few weeks. That means with your 4 rounds of interviews, you want to start the first round within the next week or 2. Your engineers have capacity to do the 4 rounds for ~10 applicants in that time.

You receive 1000 applications.

You don't have time to read every resume and start calling people in the next few days, so you build a tool to automate it. The tool parses text from PDFs, tries to categorise it into "experience", "projects", "location", so you can exclude people with The tool correctly parses 500 of the resumes, and finds 50 who match your experience, location and skill requirements. Now you manually read those 50 properly, and reach out to the ones who stand out.

That tool is the ATS. You don't care about the 500 who couldn't be parsed, or whether some of the 470 were parsed incorrectly. It's not a test of the user's ability to follow rules. It's just a necessity to get hiring done in a reasonable time frame.

Re: Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

#26
post #18

This is not a criticism of this software or the author as they have no personal responsibility for the larger system they operate in, but sometimes I see something like this, and I just think we live in a dystopia. Have we gotten to the point that jobseekers and employers are using adversarial AIs against each other in some attempt at optimization? What are we doing here? We seem to be on the path to this stuff oozin…

A book from nearly 100 years ago recommends hiring a specialist to help you write your job application letter. What I'm seeing here is kinda the same thing except available to people with less money.

Re: Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

#27
post #18

This is not a criticism of this software or the author as they have no personal responsibility for the larger system they operate in, but sometimes I see something like this, and I just think we live in a dystopia. Have we gotten to the point that jobseekers and employers are using adversarial AIs against each other in some attempt at optimization? What are we doing here? We seem to be on the path to this stuff oozin…

The tragedy of the commons.

We are in the early phases of a recession. The tech-cession is already in full swing. Inflation is through the roof.

There are very few jobs hiring relative to layoffs. Every optimization, no matter how stupid, matters.

Capitalism rewards the razor thin margins, regardless of how filled with puss and scum those margins are.

Re: Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ATS optimisation is absolutely critical these days, at least in tech. With the amount of applications you receive, the easiest first step is looking for a way to exclude someone. If your ATS can't even parse someone's CV properly, that's a great way to exclude it from consideration. The next level is keyword matching. If your ATS can't find any of the keywords from your listing in the CV, another easy exclusion. The…

The way ATS is growing, I no more know what a resume should contain. Are there any ATS standards?

IMHO, if you're really set on improving your resume, a service is worth it. Use one for the cheapest option possible and run it a few times on your resume -- you'll see the patterns and things it looks for.

In general, it would be things like:

    * Avoid repetitive action words - "Built systems, built software, built infrastructure..."
    * Add numbers/metrics where you can: "Improved site performance by 20%+" 
    * Line items should not be over 2 lines

Aside from that, choose a _standard_ resume format/layout. Don't get fancy with columns, colors, etc.

Re: Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

#29
I am always thankful that I have not been on the job market for decades. I have hired lots of people during that time. I would like to think I did not run them through the torture chamber job-seeking seems to be today.

I have many friends and acquaintances who tell me what it's like from their perspective. Sure, there are tons of job listings on sites like LinkedIn and others. And yet, for some, the experience seems to be sending hundreds of resumes with little or no feedback and even fewer interviews. Some have resorted to writing short one-page resumes custom-matched to the requirements listed in the job post. In some cases they claim this produces better results. However, we are still talking about what I interpret to be in the 5% response rate.

One of my friends got so frustrated after going through a six-interview hiring process in one case and seven interviews in the other --and not being hired-- that he found himself a job in the oil fields in New Mexico manually recording readings every hour while he lives in a trailer in the middle of nowhere. This, after a long career in various technology fields. He fears age discrimination might have a lot to do with it.

So, yeah, not sure how human-to-human contact happens if people never get a response after sending hundreds of resumes. When we need to hire, my rule is simple: Everyone gets a response. Everyone. Because, on the other side of that resume is a dad, mother, brother, sister, cousin, etc. How would you like to be treated? How would you like others to treat those you love? Well, then, the answer is simple. If you are using AI or mechanized processes, you are treating people like cattle.

Re: Resume Matcher – An open source, free tool to improve your resume

#30

Resume tricks like this are nonsense. Are there recruiters who are swayed by things like this? Sure. Do you want to work for those companies? Probably not. Stop shotgunning your resume to dozens of companies. Research a few companies where you might actually want to work. Do this from time to time even if you aren't looking; don't wait until you are desperate for work. And the most important thing is to actually have…

Unfortunately this doesn't line up with reality. "Tricks" like these are needed to get through the nonsensical recruitment/HR obstacle course for many companies.

I have never had to do anything like this, and I have never applied to more than a few companies before receiving an offer except during the dotcom crash. Even then it wasn't dozens of companies.
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