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Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat

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Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat

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Post by m4rtink »

dngray wrote: post #91
xwowsersx wrote: post #31

What communities are y'all in that are only or primarily on Matrix? I haven't seemed to find myself in any yet, but perhaps I'm missing out

All of the fedora.im rooms. Opensuse also has their own matrix server #space.opnensuse.org and archlinux does too #archlinux:archlinux.org

The bridge drop affected Fedora quite a bit - Fedora traditionally used to have their IRC rooms on freenode, then on libera.chat - including the "official" stuff like Special Interest Group meeting, bug triages, GO/NOGO meeting for release, releng, etc.

While it was decided to migrate to Matrix, still a lot of tooling was built for IRC & many users connected via IRC to the rooms, so the situation with bridges in place was ideal.

But wen the bridge stopped working, it effectively split some of these room in half, with some people being on Matrix and some only on IRC. Worse yet, some meeting still depend on IRC only tooling/bots & happen only on the "IRC side" until the tooling can be ported. Not the best situation. :)

Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat

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Post by immibis »

georgyo wrote: post #52

After the deportling, I just stopped communicating with IRC, but there is a lot of lost there. One of my communities was basically split in half. Ah well... The user drop is quite noticable here: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php After that you can see Libre.Chat is actually growing in users again and at a very consistent pace.

How many of the users were not permanently AFK?

Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat

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Post by immibis »

k8svet wrote: post #103

I'm so incredibly conflicted about whether to keep investing time and energy and hope around Matrix. I normally have good tech intuition and matrix is in this weird spot. I think the vision and direction and attitudes are amazing but they keep fking up badly. I'm embarrassed at the thought that I would "soon" soft nudge my friends and family to matrix, years ago . With the state of synapse, matrix.org, and the projec…

Matrix, at this point, is effectively proprietary. It's fully controlled by one for-profit company (Element) and the blockchain protocol (yes, it uses a blockchain) is complicated enough to prevent independent reimplementations. And it doesn't even work that well.

Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat

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Post by immibis »

stevenicr wrote: post #75
Laaas wrote: post #15

The explanation seems a bit vague. What were the concrete issues at hand?

just read - sounds like some complaints from the libera chat side that are too much to fix (?) at the moment.. I'd like to see a post from libera about what they expect someone to do if they take the bridge and take it further to work on other servers.. I still dream of a trillium (sp?) manychat kind of thing that can bridge all things... I get that some want to prevent that - and others even if they want interoperab…

There was such a post from libera months ago.

Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat

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Post by immibis »

NewJazz wrote: post #4

Matrix has a long way to go to compete with IRC and XMPP... Godspeed.

Matrix has one big thing that is missing from IRC - disconnecting and reconnecting without losing chat messages. This is extremely important with mobile clients - so important that idling in IRC with a phone is barely possible.

Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat

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Post by Zetobal »

k8svet wrote: post #103

I'm so incredibly conflicted about whether to keep investing time and energy and hope around Matrix. I normally have good tech intuition and matrix is in this weird spot. I think the vision and direction and attitudes are amazing but they keep fking up badly. I'm embarrassed at the thought that I would "soon" soft nudge my friends and family to matrix, years ago . With the state of synapse, matrix.org, and the projec…

Drop it. After all the shit they pulled last year (no oss server code anymore, killing bridges, bugged clients) and hiring a PR person you just know they are going for entshitification. I wonder if they will recognize that their commercial offerings are just not up to spec.

Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat

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Post by camgunz »

immibis wrote: post #113
k8svet wrote: post #103

I'm so incredibly conflicted about whether to keep investing time and energy and hope around Matrix. I normally have good tech intuition and matrix is in this weird spot. I think the vision and direction and attitudes are amazing but they keep fking up badly. I'm embarrassed at the thought that I would "soon" soft nudge my friends and family to matrix, years ago . With the state of synapse, matrix.org, and the projec…

Matrix, at this point, is effectively proprietary. It's fully controlled by one for-profit company (Element) and the blockchain protocol (yes, it uses a blockchain) is complicated enough to prevent independent reimplementations. And it doesn't even work that well.

Sorry I don't think anything you've written here is true:

> Matrix, at this point, is effectively proprietary.

Matrix is fully open [0] and fully spec'd by the MSCs [1], and stewarded by the Matrix Foundation [2].

> It's fully controlled by one for-profit company (Element).

2/5 people on the board work for Element [2].

> and the blockchain protocol (yes, it uses a blockchain)

It does not use a blockchain (there is no proof-of-anything). You might be confusing blockchains with Merkle Trees, but in that case you'd also have to think git is a blockchain.

> is complicated enough to prevent independent reimplementations

There are several independent client [3] and server [4] implementations.

> And it doesn't even work that well.

Maybe not, but it has pretty good adoption [5]

[0]: https://github.com/matrix-org

[1]: https://spec.matrix.org/

[2]: https://matrix.org/about/

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol)#Clients

[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol)#Servers

[5]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol)#Adoption

Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat

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Post by slimsag »

dotnet00 wrote: post #97
slimsag wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the next big thing after Microsoft bought GitHub, by that logic? ..or are we all in this thread just not talking about GitHub, it's a necessary evil, etc.?

You say that as if MS buying GitHub, and the Copilot training data stuff hasn't driven all sorts of people to alternatives like Gitlab or self-hosted solutions like forgejo.

I literally have no idea what forgejo is, I do not think most people have heard of it.

Gitlab's reported growth numbers are down year-over-year. Meanwhile GitHub reached its user growth target of 100M developers an entire year ahead of schedule.

I do not believe that any large portion of people are migrating to GitHub alternatives. Most people like / are excited by Copilot, not the other way around.

Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat

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Post by _8j50 »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #102
_8j50 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't care about tech philosophy. The software needs to work well. Show me an IRC network operated with the same ease of use and security as discord and I will use it provided others are on it as well. You people like your lemmy, mastodon, peertube,etc... and it's not like I disagree with the idea but ideals are only good for academic discussions. They need to work well IRL, there is no replacement for that, period…

Talking about this in a nuanced way on HN these days is useless. Threads about IRC, Mastodon, Lemmy, etc don't attract pragmatists. They attract zealots that really want to pretend like their chosen ethical technology is the best and won all the wars and changed everything, and shhh you sheeple for suggesting otherwise let me downvote you. I will say while Element (the flagship Matrix client) isn't as polished as I'd…

Except element does choke my browser/system (32g ram, many cores) even with rooms that aren't all that big. Slack does the same, discord doesn't even with large rooms and 100+ rooms open.
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