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The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by mavhc »

m463 wrote: post #94

I wonder when a tesla will show up in a courtroom with a situation like this. I'm not talking about autopilot. I'm talking about the continuous (past ridiculous) removal of physical controls from their vehicles. For example, the original model S/X had dedicated controls for lots of functions - turn signals, gear shift, wipers, autopilot, steering wheel tilt, etc. On the steering wheel, there were two buttons and a sc…

The left scroll wheel can: play/pause/next/previous/vol up/down in Normal mode

If you press the wiper button on the steering wheel it can change wiper speed

Long press is a custom function

When there's a call it answers/declines, mute/unmute, and ends a call

The right one actives autosteer/tacc/fsd, adjusts follow distance and max speed

There's 3 buttons for left/right/high beam on the left, and on the right, buttons for wiper mode, voice, rear camera, and in the middle, horn.

Not sure I need a button for steering wheel tilt, should only be when stopped. Also do I change gear so often I need a dedicated stalk? It's not a manual car. Direction/park is only done when stopped too.

Does voice control not work for defrost?

I'd rather have a cheaper car with less parts

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by ImaCake »

sixQuarks wrote: post #221
ImaCake wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is part of the current cycle of fragmentation. Twitter is no longer the centre, but it still holds certain cultural niches. Other niches have migrated to Mastodon or elsewhere. I am personally pretty excited to see this diversification and fragmentation as it should help provide more niches for more people.

Mastodon… lol. Is that even still alive? Are you gonna say that Threads is thriving as well?

The OP link is to a very much alive mastodon instance… so yes its doing fine. No idea about Threads but apparently some people use it.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dmix »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #245
moritz64 wrote: post #209

A quite recent UX disaster at Paypal. The Paypal iOS app used to behave strange with numbers. The interface was designed that you had to type in the amount you wanted to send in cents. If you wanted to send USD 50, you had to type 5000. Paypal then would add a comma after the second digit from the right. What made it even stranger: The numbers were aligned right, so it had the feeling of typing backwards. I never rea…

The price in cents is the way "it was always done" in retail, back when POS terminals were not directly connected to cash registers and the worker had to manually type in the amount. But yeah, sudden change in US design will causemany errors everywhere.

I find gas station pumps 25% are with the cents approach but usually if you type in 60 and press enter it will work

It’s definitely one of those UI concepts that’s different depending on context. similar to password with some websites making up random rules that vary sufficiently enough where automated password entry doesn’t work nor does using a reusable password for sites you don’t care about

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dmix »

mavhc wrote: post #281
m463 wrote: post #94

I wonder when a tesla will show up in a courtroom with a situation like this. I'm not talking about autopilot. I'm talking about the continuous (past ridiculous) removal of physical controls from their vehicles. For example, the original model S/X had dedicated controls for lots of functions - turn signals, gear shift, wipers, autopilot, steering wheel tilt, etc. On the steering wheel, there were two buttons and a sc…

The left scroll wheel can: play/pause/next/previous/vol up/down in Normal mode If you press the wiper button on the steering wheel it can change wiper speed Long press is a custom function When there's a call it answers/declines, mute/unmute, and ends a call The right one actives autosteer/tacc/fsd, adjusts follow distance and max speed There's 3 buttons for left/right/high beam on the left, and on the right, buttons…

Yeah I’ve always been suspect of these critiques of Teslas UI. Besides the climate control you don’t really need to tap on the tablet for anything critical to driving WHILE driving. At least that was my experience in my brief experience with a 3.

I’d still add maybe another physical dial for stuff like climate, maybe even make them programmable. But that’s for convenience.

I find the rare times you need to use xdrive on BMWs which is a physical dial + a few buttons just as distracting as using a tablet while driving.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by constantly »

gosub100 wrote: post #255
moritz64 wrote: post #209

A quite recent UX disaster at Paypal. The Paypal iOS app used to behave strange with numbers. The interface was designed that you had to type in the amount you wanted to send in cents. If you wanted to send USD 50, you had to type 5000. Paypal then would add a comma after the second digit from the right. What made it even stranger: The numbers were aligned right, so it had the feeling of typing backwards. I never rea…

I dont know what you mean by aligned right (if it aligned left it would have to know how much you intended to transfer before you started), but wells fargo web (and I think app) uses this, and I prefer it for making small payments. They know you're going to type the decimal anyway, so they save you a step. I get mildly annoyed that other banking sites make me type it. If I'm paying $83.21 I still have to type 4 digit…

I’m confused by the “aligned left” comment. Analogously this seems like saying left alignment in my word processor would mean the word processor would need to know what I was going to type before I type it.

Can you explain?

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by withinboredom »

jayp1418 wrote: post #250
subroutine wrote: post #160

Interesting to see this on HN. I currently work for the company that redesigned the HMI/UI following this incident. Or rather, it's how my company was founded. In the aftermath, the US Navy Command in San Diego contacted several UCSD professors in the Cognitive Science and Psychology department who specialized in high-impact decision making under stress and cognitive load. The Navy was apparently impressed with the d…

This is how every software UI should be designed as well.

Hopefully without people having to die first.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by red75prime »

Ma8ee wrote: post #127
scotty79 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isreal has been trying to keep their morals for decades using defensive measures. They constructed probaby best in the world air defense systems to protect their civilians daily. They could just send one rocket for one they were targetted by instead and Gaza would be inhabitable decades ago. So when they were rewarded for their restraint on 7 Oct with savagery I'm not really surprised that huge part of the world give…

Missing from your narrative is the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli settlers. The settlers are harassing and seizing land from Palestinians. Those settlers are protected by the Israeli Defense Forces. All of this is well documented and are repeatedly criticised by many well reputable human rights organisations. So, no, it's not restrain that is rewarded by these savage attacks. And while I condemn the ter…

> we should not pretend they came out of a vacuum

And we shouldn't pretend that organized terrorism is justified by the things you've mentioned.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by krisoft »

smcl wrote: post #239

> they saw this contact heading towards them labeled as an F-14 fighter. What's wild to me is the assumption that Iran would suddenly launch a single F-14 fighter to attack a ship. Was there no moment where they thought "maybe there has been a mistake?" - like where Stanislav Petrov chose to interpret the Soviet early warning system telling him an ICBM was incoming as being a result of some faulty instruments. Grante…

> What's wild to me is the assumption that Iran would suddenly launch a single F-14 fighter to attack a ship.

What is sudden about that? "Two months before the incident, the U.S. had engaged in Operation Praying Mantis, resulting in the sinkings of the Iranian frigate Sahand, the Iranian fast attack craft Joshan, and three Iranian speedboats. Also, the Iranian frigate Sabalan was crippled, two Iranian platforms were destroyed, and an Iranian fighter was damaged. A total of at least 56 Iranian crew were killed"

And on the very day their helicopter received small arm fire from an Iranian patrol vessel, which they were pursuing when the shoot-down happened.

In this situation the idea that Iran would launch a fighter against them is not that wild.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by withinboredom »

krisoft wrote: post #279
smcl wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if they wanted to name the company they would have done so in the comment

There have been only 5 "former Captain of the USS Zumwalt". That is a very small subset of humans. There have been more humans walking on the moon than former Captains of the USS Zumwalt. Their names are a matter of public record and one can answer which works as a CEO with 5 simple google searches. If they didn't want to name the company they shouldn't have identified it willingly and precisely.

I don't want to know the company's name, but it's interesting to know the history of this event and how it came about.

If people want to do sleuthing, have fun.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by lupusreal »

krisoft wrote: post #279
smcl wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if they wanted to name the company they would have done so in the comment

There have been only 5 "former Captain of the USS Zumwalt". That is a very small subset of humans. There have been more humans walking on the moon than former Captains of the USS Zumwalt. Their names are a matter of public record and one can answer which works as a CEO with 5 simple google searches. If they didn't want to name the company they shouldn't have identified it willingly and precisely.

Making clear allusions to the company without directly naming it allows anybody in this conversation who cares to figure it out easily, but doesn't get this discussion automatically indexed with that company's name. Naming the company in a response is rude and unnecessary.
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