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Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by bayindirh » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 12:55 PM UTC

op00to wrote: post #19

eurekin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I installed Nextcloud twice and faced early bugs quickly as well. I'm certainly not moving my 15tb of client photos to it anytime soon

I always wondered why photographers held on to negatives/raw files for so long. How often does the need to return years later come up, and can that justify the cost of storing all that in a way that’s somewhat reliable? I’m not saying there aren’t valid reasons to do so, and throwing the pictures on a few externals drives isn’t terrible, but to do it “right” seems like it would be super expensive!

Because better hardware gets cheaper, and one's technique and software improves over time.

I was able to recover a 13 year old photo I took with a D70s which was extremely noisy. By using what I learnt and state of the art software (which is Darktable), I was able to extract a very nice photo out of it.

Also, as your style improves and experience piles up, you look to your "bad" photos and say "Aha, there's a nice angle here. Let's process this".

You can see some of my "Remastered" photos at [0].

[0]: https://www.flickr.com/photos/zerocoder/albums/7215770242956...

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by mxuribe » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 1:00 PM UTC

This is wonderful news! Nextcloud gets an additional product offering for an important aspect (email!), and RoundCube gets resources in the way of dev. staff (and possibly other benefits from NextCloud funding)...and ALL of it is open source, self-hostable, and good tech.! Kudos to RoundCube and NextCloud folks!

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by preya2k » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 1:02 PM UTC

stratom wrote: post #12

preya2k wrote: post #6

I'm glad the post states that Roundcube will stay an independent product. Roundcube is on a whole other level in terms of stability and robustness compared to Nextcloud. I'm also glad that the current Nextcloud client will be replaced, because it's not very good right now.

Nextcloud Mail won't be replaced by Roundcube! "Neither will Roundcube replace Nextcloud Mail or the other way around. ... Nextcloud Mail will evolve as it is, focused on being used naturally within Nextcloud."

Thanks for the reminder. I still expect Roundcube to become a well-maintained alternative for E-Mail clients within Nextcloud, right?

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by preya2k » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 1:05 PM UTC

deng wrote: post #15

preya2k wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure which "focus on hub/groupware" you're talking about. Some groupware features are still horribly buggy and understaffed (e.g. the whole mess of co-existing methods of sharing files/folders with groups – Share vs. Group Folder vs. Collectives/Circles – or the crazy amount of WebDav and CalDav bugs that have been existing for many years), while "AI" (or some other buzzwordy technology) gets all the focus. As mu…

Unfortunately, I can only second this. The absolute basic functionality, meaning file storage and access through a browser, works fine. However, as soon as it comes to integration with the various existing clients, things fall apart, and it's not even terribly complicated stuff. For instance, I used Nextcloud to automatically upload photos from my Android mobile, and this has been completely broken for over 2 months…

Agree. The "reality distortion field" around Nextcloud fans is second to none. I hear it being touted as a replacement for Dropbox, Google Drive, Google Docs, OneDrive, Office 365, etc. Unfortunately it's none of those.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by jmnicolas » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 1:11 PM UTC

youdontknowjuli wrote: post #14

preya2k wrote: post #6

I'm glad the post states that Roundcube will stay an independent product. Roundcube is on a whole other level in terms of stability and robustness compared to Nextcloud. I'm also glad that the current Nextcloud client will be replaced, because it's not very good right now.

I really tried to make Nextcloud work for me but it was too much. I‘ll pay the enshittified Dropbox premium soon. Some bugs I encountered in a few hours of testing and trying to make it work. The Mac auto-update installs an incompatible version to my OS; the website offers only the new incompatible and an old version that also doesn’t work (OS can not scan the app). The solution is to find a suitable version from a h…

If Dropbox is all you need you might be satisfied with Syncthing. I have used it for a week now, it works well and I have the warm fuzzy feeling that nobody is using my data to make a few bucks (I'm self hosting it on a home server).

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by jmnicolas » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 1:13 PM UTC

eurekin wrote: post #17

youdontknowjuli wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really tried to make Nextcloud work for me but it was too much. I‘ll pay the enshittified Dropbox premium soon. Some bugs I encountered in a few hours of testing and trying to make it work. The Mac auto-update installs an incompatible version to my OS; the website offers only the new incompatible and an old version that also doesn’t work (OS can not scan the app). The solution is to find a suitable version from a h…

I installed Nextcloud twice and faced early bugs quickly as well. I'm certainly not moving my 15tb of client photos to it anytime soon

Have you tried Immich? I don't have much experience with it (installed yesterday evening) but it looks and run great.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by noname120 » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 1:14 PM UTC

stratom wrote: post #12

preya2k wrote: post #6

I'm glad the post states that Roundcube will stay an independent product. Roundcube is on a whole other level in terms of stability and robustness compared to Nextcloud. I'm also glad that the current Nextcloud client will be replaced, because it's not very good right now.

Nextcloud Mail won't be replaced by Roundcube! "Neither will Roundcube replace Nextcloud Mail or the other way around. ... Nextcloud Mail will evolve as it is, focused on being used naturally within Nextcloud."

Will it be like Microsoft saying that VS Code wouldn't replace Atom after the merger? Not that I like Atom, quite the opposite.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by eurekin » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 1:16 PM UTC

op00to wrote: post #19

eurekin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I installed Nextcloud twice and faced early bugs quickly as well. I'm certainly not moving my 15tb of client photos to it anytime soon

I always wondered why photographers held on to negatives/raw files for so long. How often does the need to return years later come up, and can that justify the cost of storing all that in a way that’s somewhat reliable? I’m not saying there aren’t valid reasons to do so, and throwing the pictures on a few externals drives isn’t terrible, but to do it “right” seems like it would be super expensive!

Oh, I'd throw them away in a blink, If I were not lazy:

Almost after every shoot, people come back "remember that one photo, where I smiled at sth? I'm very sentimental about that, cause it's [some important thing to them]", which necessitates the need to hold on to every photo taken on the session. So no real deletes here, even if it came out technically wrong (blurry, blown out, etc.).

Those requests lessen, but don't die down completely. Especially with cyclic events, organizers have this habit of a asking for things done exactly year ago.

Some just say: "hey, I remember you taking a photo of me then and then" for their dancing portfolio in my case.

Especially for videos, which can be a constant flow of editing requests, for supercuts and etc.

Now, if I were really smart, I'd just have some good way to archive after two years, and delete after - let's say three years. In practice though, there are so many unforseen circumstances that a habit of "never delete anything" forms really easily.

It's just a lot easier and cheaper to buy another drive instead of culling 10k of photos every once in a while, especially if external confirmation is involved.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by eurekin » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 1:17 PM UTC

jmnicolas wrote: post #26

eurekin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I installed Nextcloud twice and faced early bugs quickly as well. I'm certainly not moving my 15tb of client photos to it anytime soon

Have you tried Immich? I don't have much experience with it (installed yesterday evening) but it looks and run great.

I spinned it up once and looked really good. Never got to thorougly testing for that case. Might take another look

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by jmnicolas » Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 1:17 PM UTC

deng wrote: post #15

preya2k wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure which "focus on hub/groupware" you're talking about. Some groupware features are still horribly buggy and understaffed (e.g. the whole mess of co-existing methods of sharing files/folders with groups – Share vs. Group Folder vs. Collectives/Circles – or the crazy amount of WebDav and CalDav bugs that have been existing for many years), while "AI" (or some other buzzwordy technology) gets all the focus. As mu…

Unfortunately, I can only second this. The absolute basic functionality, meaning file storage and access through a browser, works fine. However, as soon as it comes to integration with the various existing clients, things fall apart, and it's not even terribly complicated stuff. For instance, I used Nextcloud to automatically upload photos from my Android mobile, and this has been completely broken for over 2 months…

May I suggest Immich for your photos? I don't have enough experience with it to guarantee it's bug free, but my first impressions are very positive (and I'm not afraid to say that most open source software I try is severely lacking).