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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by mlrtime »

toyg wrote: post #130
scotty79 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isreal has been trying to keep their morals for decades using defensive measures. They constructed probaby best in the world air defense systems to protect their civilians daily. They could just send one rocket for one they were targetted by instead and Gaza would be inhabitable decades ago. So when they were rewarded for their restraint on 7 Oct with savagery I'm not really surprised that huge part of the world give…

> They could just send one rocket Putin could do the same to half of Europe, eh. The fact that he doesn't, doesn't mean his actions are justified. Not applying overwhelming force doesn't mean that applying any other type of force is justified. > Isreal has been trying to keep their morals for decades There are no morals left, in that conflict, since the 1982 mass murder of thousands of Lebanese civilians in Beirut at…

This is not a "both sides" issue. Thought experiment for you.

Q: What would happen today if Hamas and supporters permanently gave up all their weapons and surrendered? A: Israel would immediately stop any wartime action.

Q: What would happen today if Israel gave up it's defenses and military, took down the borders? A: Iran and Hamas would kill every last Jew in Israel. They have to, it is their charter.

Also, how many Jews and Christians are living in Gaza openly vs Israel? What would happen to them in the above?

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by addicted »

itsoktocry wrote: post #148
kortilla wrote: post #90

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That’s a stupid comparison because the USSR intentionally shot down a plane without trying to contact it and then didn’t cooperate at all on search efforts. Additionally, the pilot positively identified it was a passenger jet due to the double decker windows but shot anyway because they were shooting down “spy planes”, not anything that was an actual threat. This is in contrast to the US incident where they tried to…

> That’s a stupid comparison because the USSR intentionally shot down a plane without trying to contact it and then didn’t cooperate at all on search efforts. I don't know much about either incident, but your summary sounds exactly what the OP is saying: "Here are the reasons the Russians did it. It's different, because they're evil". One side was lying about thinking it was a spy plane, but the other side legitimate…

It’s “Russia made no efforts to contact” and “Russia made no efforts to search” both of which indicate it was because Russia was up to no good.

Funny how you ignore the reasons the commenter you’re replying to gives to indicate Russia did it because it was evil, reasons which do not apply to the U.S. case, and pretend they never gave those explanations at all.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by moffkalast »

xkbarkar wrote: post #87

What a terrible platform to present an interesting story. What wrong with a good old fashioned article style blog ? I admit I am so turned off by the format I only made it hlf way throught the thread.

tl; dr: They had the wrong contact selected. That's it, that's the whole thing.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

Aissen wrote: post #37

Pro-tip to those unused to mastodon web-ui: you can click the eye on the top right of the center column (next to Back) to expand all posts at once.

Is there a way, as either the reader or the writer, to set that as a default? Or do you need to remember it and manually do it every time you read a thread like this?

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by 616c »

shenberg wrote: post #163
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #119

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If you're seriously suggesting that attacking unarmed civilians intentionally, killing parents in front of their children and then kidnapping the children, slaughtering defenseless party-goers, etc. is what I any resistance movement would do, that's ridiculous. If Hamas would only have attacked military targets, there would be no legitimacy to Israel's actions. However, what actually happened was that they attacked p…

Perhaps you should read about what Haganah did to the British before the establishment of Israel in 1948.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

neffo wrote: post #153
CogitoCogito wrote: post #141

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Does anyone know the reasoning for not having the posts expanded by default?

Posts aren't limited to an arbitrary length in activity pub, this is the same UI logic for showing a thread in the main feed. Twitter does something similar for bluecheck long posts.

Wouldn't it be better handled by people following accounts they want to and unfollowing bad actors?

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by astrobase_go »

subroutine wrote: post #160

Interesting to see this on HN. I currently work for the company that redesigned the HMI/UI following this incident. Or rather, it's how my company was founded. In the aftermath, the US Navy Command in San Diego contacted several UCSD professors in the Cognitive Science and Psychology department who specialized in high-impact decision making under stress and cognitive load. The Navy was apparently impressed with the d…

I think your company is PSE, correct?

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by immibis »

shenberg wrote: post #163
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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If you're seriously suggesting that attacking unarmed civilians intentionally, killing parents in front of their children and then kidnapping the children, slaughtering defenseless party-goers, etc. is what I any resistance movement would do, that's ridiculous. If Hamas would only have attacked military targets, there would be no legitimacy to Israel's actions. However, what actually happened was that they attacked p…

To paraphrase JFK, those who make peaceful resistance impossible make violent resistance inevitable.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by grumple »

Ma8ee wrote: post #127
scotty79 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isreal has been trying to keep their morals for decades using defensive measures. They constructed probaby best in the world air defense systems to protect their civilians daily. They could just send one rocket for one they were targetted by instead and Gaza would be inhabitable decades ago. So when they were rewarded for their restraint on 7 Oct with savagery I'm not really surprised that huge part of the world give…

Missing from your narrative is the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli settlers. The settlers are harassing and seizing land from Palestinians. Those settlers are protected by the Israeli Defense Forces. All of this is well documented and are repeatedly criticised by many well reputable human rights organisations. So, no, it's not restrain that is rewarded by these savage attacks. And while I condemn the ter…

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by shilgapira »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #119
scotty79 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isreal has been trying to keep their morals for decades using defensive measures. They constructed probaby best in the world air defense systems to protect their civilians daily. They could just send one rocket for one they were targetted by instead and Gaza would be inhabitable decades ago. So when they were rewarded for their restraint on 7 Oct with savagery I'm not really surprised that huge part of the world give…

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> If your land was occupied by an invading force armed and financed by the US and its allies would you sit back and do nothing while that force murdered your people and stole your property, or would you have done exactly what Hamas did on October the 7th?

No, I would have accepted one of the many peace proposals the other side offered.

Regardless, your framing of how there are only two binary options – (1) doing nothing to advance my political goals, or (2) resorting to the most savage terrorism imaginable – and no other options between them is appalling and telling.

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