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Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference

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Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference

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The russian guy comes up with russian names for his sockpuppet chick accounts. Is that to explain away the grammar?

It's not exactly correct to call every ex-Eastern Block actor russian by default. The guy's name spelling is Latvian and one of the speakers' surname is Ukrainian.

His name is russian in Latvian transcription, and it would also be incorrect to refer to the unintegrated, very pro-russian diaspora there as generically "ex-Eastern Block".

Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference

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post #23

>> IP logs from a forum for programmers obtained by 404 Media I am more interested in what forums is turning over their IP logs to the media, what the privacy policy was for that forum, and if other members of that forum know this is happening

If you create sockpuppets on a forum for the purpose of fraudulently establishing a fake identity to sell conference tickets, I don’t think you have an expectation of privacy with respect to server logs that establish that. Same as if you rob a bodega, you don’t expect privacy rights over the CCTV footage.

I guess CCTV footage won't go to media either, or do they?

Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference

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Seems like the lesson here is that nobody wants to go to the party unless they know who else is going to be there. Makes kind of a chicken and egg problem. Not surprised that this type of fakery is going on. Reminds me of VC rounds where nobody wants to be the first in and if you get a big name everybody FOMOs in. Not surprising to me that the same guy who runs the conference also runs influencer accounts because it seems to be the same skill. Of course everybody expects those to be fake. Maybe we should feel the same way about conferences, because they sure seem that way to me.

Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference

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post #23

>> IP logs from a forum for programmers obtained by 404 Media I am more interested in what forums is turning over their IP logs to the media, what the privacy policy was for that forum, and if other members of that forum know this is happening

If you create sockpuppets on a forum for the purpose of fraudulently establishing a fake identity to sell conference tickets, I don’t think you have an expectation of privacy with respect to server logs that establish that. Same as if you rob a bodega, you don’t expect privacy rights over the CCTV footage.

This is absolutely not the case in many European locales. For instance, a gas station owner can be fined for infringing the privacy of a shoplifter by publishing CCTV footage [1].

[1] https://www-mtvuutiset-fi.translate.goog/artikkeli/huoltoase...

Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference

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post #48

>> IP logs from a forum for programmers obtained by 404 Media I am more interested in what forums is turning over their IP logs to the media, what the privacy policy was for that forum, and if other members of that forum know this is happening

Hi, I'm the forum admin who banned Sizovs for suckpuppeting a few years ago: https://lobste.rs/s/s67tjc/don_t_learn_too_many_things#c_nfn... I know this is pure whataboutism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism ), but I don't have any duty to keep the secrets of sockpuppeting spammers; the forum privacy policy is short and unambiguous. No members have expressed concerns over me banning his accounts in 2019, i…

Your privacy policy or lack of thereof does not override the duties set to you by legislation such as GDPR.

Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference

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My suggestion to enhance diversity among conference presenters: each top presenter could bring a “plus one” from an underrepresented group to co-present. Alternatively, they could opt to forfeit their spot and locate someone in their professional network who can represent both a minority group and, if possible, deliver the original presentation.

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Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference

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My suggestion to enhance diversity among conference presenters: each top presenter could bring a “plus one” from an underrepresented group to co-present. Alternatively, they could opt to forfeit their spot and locate someone in their professional network who can represent both a minority group and, if possible, deliver the original presentation.

It's not the conference presenters' duty to fix a problem that will only be there if the organizers can't be bothered to try.

Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So we are all missing the point that the organizer LIED around and he's being rightfully punished for that?

No, I don't think people are, at large, missing the point. I think there is some more reflecting to do about the article in that pretty much points out the lengths people are going to go so they can conform to the CURRENT_THING. Almost like virtue signaling is actually a thing.

Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference

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Seems like the lesson here is that nobody wants to go to the party unless they know who else is going to be there. Makes kind of a chicken and egg problem. Not surprised that this type of fakery is going on. Reminds me of VC rounds where nobody wants to be the first in and if you get a big name everybody FOMOs in. Not surprising to me that the same guy who runs the conference also runs influencer accounts because it…

> Seems like the lesson here is that nobody wants to go to the party unless they know who else is going to be there. Makes kind of a chicken and egg problem.

This may indeed be tricky, but if it was "just" that he'd been sneaky about it to get the ball rolling and he subsequently had fixed the issue by replacing the fake women with real women before starting to sign up attendees it'd have been a lot easier to have sympathy.

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