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Re: Portuguese Orange, Persian Portugal

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Post by saagarjha »

bafe wrote: post #8

Funny enough it seems in Persian there's no clear distinction between lime and lemon. My wife calls both "limoo". She does however claim there's a particular cultivars "limoo Shirin" that is supposedly very sweet (and hard to find outside of Iran)

I believe this is true in Hindi as well, both are “nimbu”. It’s generally not a problem because we overwhelmingly buy limes for food use at home but it did take a bit to figure out (when I was younger, of course) that the two fruits that I knew from school were not something my mother distinguished.

Re: Portuguese Orange, Persian Portugal

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Post by xinayder »

diego_moita wrote: post #17

In case anyone cares, the country's name comes from "Portus Cale", the Roman name of a location near modern day Oporto and Vila Nova de Gaia cities. Portus means port in Latin. It is the origin for the name of the city of Oporto, also. Cala is the Latin name of the Celtic goddess of winter[1], also known as Cailleach Bhéara in Irish or Beira in Scotland. It is also the origin for the name of the region known as Galic…

The correct city name is Porto, I have no idea why they call it Oporto.

In Portuguese it was usually called Cidade do Porto (city of the port), which was shortened to be just Porto.

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Post by vasco »

diego_moita wrote: post #17

In case anyone cares, the country's name comes from "Portus Cale", the Roman name of a location near modern day Oporto and Vila Nova de Gaia cities. Portus means port in Latin. It is the origin for the name of the city of Oporto, also. Cala is the Latin name of the Celtic goddess of winter[1], also known as Cailleach Bhéara in Irish or Beira in Scotland. It is also the origin for the name of the region known as Galic…

Porto in Portuguese also means port directly, and Oporto is just foreigners that mistaken the "O Porto" meaning literally "The Port" into a one word that doesn't exist in portuguese for so long that now its the international name.

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Post by xinayder »

bafe wrote: post #8

Funny enough it seems in Persian there's no clear distinction between lime and lemon. My wife calls both "limoo". She does however claim there's a particular cultivars "limoo Shirin" that is supposedly very sweet (and hard to find outside of Iran)

We don't have this distinction in Brazilian Portuguese too.

When you refer to lemons you're usually referring to the green lime (which is called "limão-taiti", meaning tahiti lemon).

When we want to refer to the yellow lemon (the common lemon outside South America) we usually say Sicilian lemon.

There's another very common type of lime which we refer to as "limão-capeta" (devil's lemon), it's a small, orange-color lime with a less sour taste than the green lime.

So, in short, we don't distinguish between lemon and lime, everything is a lemon.

Re: Portuguese Orange, Persian Portugal

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Post by sayrer »

If you look at the history there, you'll see "naranj" in the Arabic. This is still the word in Spanish: Naranja (البرتقالي).

The wikipedia article is pretty good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(fruit)

That article says sweet oranges originated from China or Myanmar, and made their way west. Introduced to the Iberian Peninsula by the people then called the "Moors".

Re: Portuguese Orange, Persian Portugal

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Post by sayrer »

xinayder wrote: post #22
diego_moita wrote: post #17

In case anyone cares, the country's name comes from "Portus Cale", the Roman name of a location near modern day Oporto and Vila Nova de Gaia cities. Portus means port in Latin. It is the origin for the name of the city of Oporto, also. Cala is the Latin name of the Celtic goddess of winter[1], also known as Cailleach Bhéara in Irish or Beira in Scotland. It is also the origin for the name of the region known as Galic…

The correct city name is Porto, I have no idea why they call it Oporto. In Portuguese it was usually called Cidade do Porto (city of the port), which was shortened to be just Porto.

It is the English term. It collapses the definite article into one word: "the Port" -> "o Porto".

Nothing modern uses this name anymore, though. I always see "Porto", even in American English.

But, it's a recent enough fix that you can still find signs of it. For example, you can book a flight to "Porto (OPO)". Just like you can book a flight to "Beijing (PEK)".

Re: Portuguese Orange, Persian Portugal

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Post by forinti »

xinayder wrote: post #24
bafe wrote: post #8

Funny enough it seems in Persian there's no clear distinction between lime and lemon. My wife calls both "limoo". She does however claim there's a particular cultivars "limoo Shirin" that is supposedly very sweet (and hard to find outside of Iran)

We don't have this distinction in Brazilian Portuguese too. When you refer to lemons you're usually referring to the green lime (which is called "limão-taiti", meaning tahiti lemon). When we want to refer to the yellow lemon (the common lemon outside South America) we usually say Sicilian lemon. There's another very common type of lime which we refer to as "limão-capeta" (devil's lemon), it's a small, orange-color li…

Limão Capeta must be what we call Limão Galego or Limão Bergamota or Limão Cravo in the south.

It has more names than tangerines and makes a great caipirinha.

Re: Portuguese Orange, Persian Portugal

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Post by [deleted] »

xinayder wrote: post #24
bafe wrote: post #8

Funny enough it seems in Persian there's no clear distinction between lime and lemon. My wife calls both "limoo". She does however claim there's a particular cultivars "limoo Shirin" that is supposedly very sweet (and hard to find outside of Iran)

We don't have this distinction in Brazilian Portuguese too. When you refer to lemons you're usually referring to the green lime (which is called "limão-taiti", meaning tahiti lemon). When we want to refer to the yellow lemon (the common lemon outside South America) we usually say Sicilian lemon. There's another very common type of lime which we refer to as "limão-capeta" (devil's lemon), it's a small, orange-color li…

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