What were the "issues" that are not named?
apparently some actors used the Matrix bridge to join private chat rooms in Libera without being detected.. AFAIK
Sounds serious, from an IRC perspective.
Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat
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Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, stable for now. Give Discord another two decades to figure itself out and see what happens. When it hits the fan, there won't be a "Discord 2" right next door that everyone can migrate to by changing a URL.
I am patiently waiting for Discord to be sold to some corporation such as Microsoft so we can all move on to the next big thing. I wonder what it will be. Probably not Matrix, but definitely something.
Meanwhile, IRC remains there, working, independent of big companies, and low enough resourced that you can host it without too much trouble on very modest hardware and bandwidth requirements.
It's the turtle: https://xkcd.com/889/
Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wouldn't be surprised if by the time Matrix is cold as ice, IRC will still see activity. Sufficiently simple protocols have some aura of immortality to them, and Matrix is the opposite of that.
As is IRC. IRC is only a simple protocol in an ideal world which no longer exists.
What do you think is not simple about IRC nowadays?
Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, stable for now. Give Discord another two decades to figure itself out and see what happens. When it hits the fan, there won't be a "Discord 2" right next door that everyone can migrate to by changing a URL.
I am patiently waiting for Discord to be sold to some corporation such as Microsoft so we can all move on to the next big thing. I wonder what it will be. Probably not Matrix, but definitely something.
What is the next big thing after Microsoft bought GitHub, by that logic?
..or are we all in this thread just not talking about GitHub, it's a necessary evil, etc.?
Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat
#65That's an interesting perspective. For another try reading the multiple attempts the libera team made to accommodate the slow progress and security holes on the Matrix side before the decision was made to close the the bridge permanently.
Updates on the matrixIRC bridge (Jun 7th) https://libera.chat/news/matrix-irc-bridge-updates
Disabling Matrix Portalling (July 3rd) https://libera.chat/news/matrix-deportalling
Delays in Disabling Matrix Portalling (July 28th) https://libera.chat/news/deportalling-delay
Temporarily disabling the Matrix Bridge (August 5th) https://libera.chat/news/temporarily-disabling-the-matrix-br...
Matrix Bridge Temporary Shutdown, a Retrospective (August 10th) https://libera.chat/news/matrix-bridge-disabled-retrospectiv...
It was sad to see a few matrix people drop away but most of the activity and users were/are on the IRC side. And of the active matrix users I considered friends most just decided to connect to IRC using a real client. Much like Slack started off with an IRC bridge to bootstrap itself with IRC communities the Riot.im/Element.io corporation no longer feels the need to maintain the bootstrapping and does not allocate resources for it.
Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
IRC's biggest weakness is the lack of a consistent history mechanism and that you usually need to idle.
IRCs other biggest weakness is that to host images is a PITA. As is sending files. DCC works, if/when it wants.
Hosting images is a great way to waste a lot of money and have to hire a squad of lawyers. There's a reason free image hosts have well known short lifecycles. The strength of IRC is that it is mostly stateless. Just lists of IPs subscribed to sockets.
Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat
#67Matrix has a long way to go to compete with IRC and XMPP... Godspeed.
It's not really the same thing, as far as I'm concerned. I use both Matrix and IRC, very extensively. Matrix is, for me, a replacement (or a slightly less annoying way) to handle "person to person and local group" communications. And the bridges beat having to run a bunch of other clients for Google Chat, Signal, etc. However, my goal there is to move people onto Matrix, and I've done a decent job of it so far in my…
When you move people onto Matrix, what homeserver do you have them use? I've set up a Matrix server for my immediate family and adoption rate has been good so far. I've set up both my parents, and one of my sisters and one of my brothers have signed up, one sibling is being a bit resistant since "I already use a gazillion other chat apps." But, not everyone has a me to set up and maintain a Matrix server, and I'm weary to tell people to just hop onto the main "matrix.org" server since I don't know what kind of experiences there are for people who don't know what they're doing (e.g. Should they put in PII or remain anonymous?)
Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat
#68One thing that Libera and its predecessors have that is impossible with element and discord and slack is: multiple overlapping communities on the same platform.
Maybe matrix/element has that, but I’m not very adept at finding it I guess. Old time original freenode had so many communities.
Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not really the same thing, as far as I'm concerned. I use both Matrix and IRC, very extensively. Matrix is, for me, a replacement (or a slightly less annoying way) to handle "person to person and local group" communications. And the bridges beat having to run a bunch of other clients for Google Chat, Signal, etc. However, my goal there is to move people onto Matrix, and I've done a decent job of it so far in my…
When you move people onto Matrix, what homeserver do you have them use? I've set up a Matrix server for my immediate family and adoption rate has been good so far. I've set up both my parents, and one of my sisters and one of my brothers have signed up, one sibling is being a bit resistant since "I already use a gazillion other chat apps." But, not everyone has a me to set up and maintain a Matrix server, and I'm wea…
Mine. Which, at least usually, has working federation...
I don't like the modern internet, and I go out of my way to find workarounds. One of those, currently, is having a physical server colo'd locally to host my internet presence.
Re: Shutting down the Matrix bridge to Libera chat
#70On the side note, are there anyone whose only using matrix for all the social media apps bridges? I’ve been mucking away for months trying to integrate all social media apps together, and these bridges are obscure and hard to customize/configure for n00bs. Soon, I can do away with the 10+ apps and just use 1
>Soon, I can do away with the 10+ apps and just use 1 Sounds like Beeper
Beeper contribute to and maintain many of the bridges.