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Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Post by 4ggr0 »

mc32 wrote: post #7
4ggr0 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying that war is necessary?

Unless you have superpowers to sway people like Putin, Xi, the CIA, Ayatollah, etc., yes, else those with aspirations will trample the pacifists.

I disagree. You take the attackers POV (I'd say every example you've listed is viewed negatively by the vast majority of global citizens).

So in the eye of an attacker, war is necessary. To me that's not enough to prove that wars in general, as a concept, are necessary for societies to move forward. They're more of a shortcut for dictators or institutions to get things they otherwise couldn't get, or at least not as fast/efficient as they'd like.

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Post by matheusmoreira »

whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #19
tticvs wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hey kids, get ready to die because our society decided war is bad m'kay and now we don't have the ability to defend ourselves."

Not even close to the same thing. I’m fully prepared to defend myself in my own home. Multiple measures in place to insure specific boundaries are not crossed and if they are multiple methods to commit violence in defense of my family. Not sure how pillaging my neighbor for their underground orange juice would aid in that. In fact I would argue unjustified war makes the citizens of the country waging the war even mor…

> I’m fully prepared to defend myself in my own home.

> Multiple measures in place to insure specific boundaries are not crossed

Who said anything about crossing boundaries? You realize you're talking about war, right? Enjoy your drone airstrike.

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Post by mc32 »

4ggr0 wrote: post #31
mc32 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you have superpowers to sway people like Putin, Xi, the CIA, Ayatollah, etc., yes, else those with aspirations will trample the pacifists.

I disagree. You take the attackers POV (I'd say every example you've listed is viewed negatively by the vast majority of global citizens). So in the eye of an attacker, war is necessary. To me that's not enough to prove that wars in general, as a concept, are necessary for societies to move forward. They're more of a shortcut for dictators or institutions to get things they otherwise couldn't get, or at least not as…

In theory you’re right. In reality we have people who seek power or in some popular cases a popular mandate to cause change or negate change through war (many civil wars, for example).

This isn’t unique to people. Lots of organisms and even systems operate in similar manner.

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Post by jack_riminton »

joenathanone wrote: post #11
jack_riminton wrote: post #4

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What calculus do you propose everyone uses to work out where the funds should be allocated? Who decides? How do we account for technology that was created as part of the war effort i.e. computers, jet engines, the internet etc?

Things that sustain life (intentionally) should take priority in my opinion.

Ok what about medicine that was developed largely as a result of war? I'm not pro war by the way, I've seen it and it's ugly, but "money should go to good things not war" is such a facile statement

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Post by tticvs »

whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #19
tticvs wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hey kids, get ready to die because our society decided war is bad m'kay and now we don't have the ability to defend ourselves."

Not even close to the same thing. I’m fully prepared to defend myself in my own home. Multiple measures in place to insure specific boundaries are not crossed and if they are multiple methods to commit violence in defense of my family. Not sure how pillaging my neighbor for their underground orange juice would aid in that. In fact I would argue unjustified war makes the citizens of the country waging the war even mor…

Self-reflection test failed

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Post by genman »

aqme28 wrote: post #27
genman wrote: post #18

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So weapons should be the priority as weapons have again and again saved lives.

Are you arguing that war is a net good for humanity? It’s quite a take

This is your imagination. I didn't say that. I didn't say anything about war. I said weapons save lives. We can see again and again and again that if you don't have weapons then the people who hate you will attempt to kill you.

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Post by genman »

aaomidi wrote: post #30
aqme28 wrote: post #27

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Are you arguing that war is a net good for humanity? It’s quite a take

American propaganda has completely shifted the ways people think.

You completely miss the point. If we want to have better future then two values must become together - superior philosophy and superior weapons. It is clear that nothing good come out when only one is presented.

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Post by 4ggr0 »

mc32 wrote: post #34
4ggr0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. You take the attackers POV (I'd say every example you've listed is viewed negatively by the vast majority of global citizens). So in the eye of an attacker, war is necessary. To me that's not enough to prove that wars in general, as a concept, are necessary for societies to move forward. They're more of a shortcut for dictators or institutions to get things they otherwise couldn't get, or at least not as…

In theory you’re right. In reality we have people who seek power or in some popular cases a popular mandate to cause change or negate change through war (many civil wars, for example). This isn’t unique to people. Lots of organisms and even systems operate in similar manner.

Yeah you're right, there will always people who start wars, or would like to start them. But if the question is, "Is war necessary?", then my answer is no. Maslow's hierarchy of needs does not contain war as an item, our earth moves on fine if no war occurs, etc.

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Post by whatwhaaaaat »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #32
whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even close to the same thing. I’m fully prepared to defend myself in my own home. Multiple measures in place to insure specific boundaries are not crossed and if they are multiple methods to commit violence in defense of my family. Not sure how pillaging my neighbor for their underground orange juice would aid in that. In fact I would argue unjustified war makes the citizens of the country waging the war even mor…

> I’m fully prepared to defend myself in my own home. > Multiple measures in place to insure specific boundaries are not crossed Who said anything about crossing boundaries? You realize you're talking about war, right? Enjoy your drone airstrike.

I was explaining the difference between self defense and offensive wars for the purpose of innovation, profit, and “external work”.
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