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Why Generation Y Is Causing The Great Migration Of The 21st Century

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Re: Why Generation Y Is Causing The Great Migration Of The 21st Century

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Post by mortenjorck »

scarmig wrote: post #15
wtn wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chicago shrank by 6.9% from 2000-2010.

That's... very weird and surprising. NYC grew by low single digits, while SF did a bit more. I incorrectly assumed this was shared across most major cities. I'm not sure how that affects my prediction, one way or another. Edited to add: a table with actual data. The 2000s have not been kind to most cities. By comparison, the USA as a whole grew 9.7% from 2000 to 2010. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2011-0…

That 6.9% is for an entire city of 3 million, with dozens of neighborhoods ranging from the Gold Coast with its Lamborghini and Rolls dealerships, to Wicker Park with its hipster bars and indie galleries, to Englewood with its crumbling storefronts and well-armed crack dealers. Much more interesting to me would be statistics for which neighborhoods have gained and lost over the same period of time.

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Post by sliverstorm »

TheFuture wrote: post #17
toyg wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The self-driving car will still need energy to run. Suburbs are built on the principle that energy is cheap. That is no longer the case.

The self driving car will be much more energy efficient, especially if they can communicate with each other to optimize traffic flow

Improving traffic flow is a win, but only a small win. Lugging around the mass of the car and yourself is still by far and away the biggest energy cost of operating a car, not sitting at a stoplight or getting stuck in stop-and-go.

Clearing up 1 mile of stop-and-go is not going to make up for the 9 miles from your house to the city streets on your 10-mile commute.

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Post by rilindo »

wtn wrote: post #14
scarmig wrote: post #11

I'm sympathetic to the viewpoint that it's important to watch cities as central to our future. This article, however, relies a bit much on psychological gobbledygook. Helicopter parents, Friends , the Google bus... Even the one graph they provide is more or less incomprehensible. What would be useful to see is land prices in inner urban areas, average lived population density, and comparative migration patterns for y…

Chicago shrank by 6.9% from 2000-2010.

Much of decrease is due to the sharp decline in Southside Chicago as well as the growth of the suburbs outside of Cook county.

http://igpa.uillinois.edu/content/census-reveals-population-...

Thanks to the economy, however, the trend is somewhat reversed:

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120406/BLOGS02/1204...

Re: Why Generation Y Is Causing The Great Migration Of The 21st Century

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Post by darksaga »

I've actually found most of the growth is in rural communities, not large urban areas. In the 2010 census, you saw low increases, or even decreases in these areas, while more rural areas gained large numbers.

For instance, Cook County in Illinois (where Chicago is located) saw a 3% drop in its population from 2000-2010. By contrast, Cass County in North Dakota (where Fargo is located) saw a 21% population increase from 2000-2010.

(source was 2010 census - http://www.usatoday.com/news/census/index?refresh=1)

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Post by billpaetzke »

nostromo wrote: post #20

I'm noticing this play out on the ground in Seattle. There's a big box Target opening up right downtown. It used to be that if you wanted anything from Target, WalMart, BestBuy, etc., you had to go on an adventure to the suburbs. I've noticed other retailers are making moves to smaller stores located in city centers (like BestBuy recently announced http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/04/best-buy-releas... ). Al…

Los Angeles is also getting a Target downtown this year, just a few blocks from the Staples Center (where LA Lakers play).

The city gov is trying to make the downtown more livable, but it still needs more commercial presence; there's a bit too much housing and not enough places to buy what you need. And public transit could be better obviously.

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Post by ntkachov »

nostromo wrote: post #20

I'm noticing this play out on the ground in Seattle. There's a big box Target opening up right downtown. It used to be that if you wanted anything from Target, WalMart, BestBuy, etc., you had to go on an adventure to the suburbs. I've noticed other retailers are making moves to smaller stores located in city centers (like BestBuy recently announced http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/04/best-buy-releas... ). Al…

Knowing Microsoft and a few people that work there, if there was a large enough group of people in the city they would send out a private shuttle to and from the city every day.

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Post by novalis »

TheFuture wrote: post #22
learc83 wrote: post #5

There's plenty of truth in that article, but I can't help but think that this trend is almost purely a product of demographic changes. People wait longer to get married and have children, so there way more 25-30 year olds who worry more about living within walking distance to a bar and less about a backyard and a nice school. Many of the urban Gen Y the article talks about will move back to the suburbs when they have…

EXACTLY. This notion that gen y is some sort of elightend urban dweller is ridiculous. Gen y is the most immature gen ever in American history. They treat college like a party, an excuse to extend childish behavior, and just throw the bill on some low interest student loans. No wonder they all rent, their credit is terrible. And then they don't get that 80k job handed to them, so they still work at Starbucks at 26yrs…

I am certain "having kids" is not a prerequisite for maturity. I know a lot of younger people that are from said gen y age and they aren't one group that can be defined by any of what you postulate. Projecting the errors of past generations on the adapting younger generations isn't very helpful in general. That is the sort of ego stroke that brought us to this point. One of many.

Contact your legislators for any solve-all plan you have that will "fix" the costly inept educational system. As for your impositions or projections on others path through life, save them, it looks like they generate a lot of passive aggressiveness in you already.

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Post by hieronymusN »

saryant wrote: post #4

I absolutely fall into this category. Grew up in suburbs of LA, San Francisco, Houston and the outskirts of Cheyenne, WY. Now I'm about to move into the Montrose area of Houston. I hate driving and now I'll be taking metro rail to downtown and I'll be close to great restaurants, grocery stores and cafes. Even if I do need to drive, I'll be smack in the middle of what I consider the "good" parts of Houston so I won't…

As a former Houstonian (and Montrose denizen), the one problem here is that there is a very good chance your job will not be in Lower Westheimer or Downtown. Which means you could very well be spending an hour on I-10 headed out to the energy corridor to work for one of the Big Oil companies.

Houston is a great 'secret city' that few know about, but the effects of its lack of public transport (insane traffic on the freeways) can be seen daily.

But you are correct, If I was to move back down there I would immediately try to get a place in the Heights or Montrose.

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Post by Nate75Sanders »

ntkachov wrote: post #37
nostromo wrote: post #20

I'm noticing this play out on the ground in Seattle. There's a big box Target opening up right downtown. It used to be that if you wanted anything from Target, WalMart, BestBuy, etc., you had to go on an adventure to the suburbs. I've noticed other retailers are making moves to smaller stores located in city centers (like BestBuy recently announced http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/04/best-buy-releas... ). Al…

Knowing Microsoft and a few people that work there, if there was a large enough group of people in the city they would send out a private shuttle to and from the city every day.

been going on for a while

The Connector:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/misc/09-06connectorFS.as...

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