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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by acdha »

jraph wrote: post #64
KingOfCoders wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website." If I'm a small company, I'd use something like BunnyCDN to stream my videos, because no one else will watch them so the benefits of Peertube are not there. If I'm a company and I'm large I should have no problems paying for something and again would use something like BunnyCDN.

It isn't easy to handle playing videos just with a CDN. You have to handle: - the different formats because browsers support different stuff - different qualities because you have to respect bandwidth visitors' bandwidth - dynamic / adaptative quality - CSP stuff - nice UI for the video etc. At this point, PeerTube handles all this for you and it's easy to setup.

Most CDNs have services for that but also that stuff matters much less if you’re not Netflix or YouTube. A basic HTML5 video tag has better UI than half of the complicated players, H.264 at phone and desktop sizes will cover almost everyone, and you’ll be fine for most businesses, conferences, etc. You need to have a LOT of traffic before the money you’re paying for bandwidth is greater than the cost of screwing around with complex infrastructure, and unless you’re streaming live events at high resolution having a CDN serving cached content is going to be faster than messing around with dynamic quality or trying to provide dozens of codec / resolution / quality permutations.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by hutzlibu »

booteille wrote: post #81
hutzlibu wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, now I am really curious to try that out and see how it works under the hood. What I need, would also be the option to ask users first, if they want to upload as well. People on a mobile connection should be able to opt out. (Quick search did not reveal this).

You can find this option in "My Settings", in the left menu. "Help share videos being played"

Oh, that was easy. Thx.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by acdha »

_heimdall wrote: post #36
Klonoar wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.

I've never understood this concern with online platforms. It really shouldn't matter what content people publish if discover ability is user-driven. A Twitter alternative could be full of neo-nazis, butbif my feed is only populated with people I follow them I would never know or care.

The problem is getting to critical mass: every service has to start somewhere but if I join and only see uninteresting stuff, I probably won’t stick around long enough for you to follow me, etc. Niche services have that bootstrapping problem where they need early users but also don’t grow if their primary adopters are people who were banned elsewhere (e.g. Gab) or are very tightly ideological (Truth Social has a whole political movement pushing it but is still failing to catch on because even most Republicans don’t want shouting 100% of the time).

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by halflings »

Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

> Nowhere it's touted as a rival to youtube in the popularity sense, just like you wouldn't call WordPress a rival to Twitter.

... the first image on the article linked here shows a monster called "Videorapter" with YouTube, Vimeo and Twitch logos, and calls for donations to "help push back Videoraptor"?

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by WhitneyLand »

doublerabbit wrote: post #97
WhitneyLand wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think when you “cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate users can't seem to understand the purpose of” something, then sometimes you need to that as a signal and reevaluate.

Reevaluate what exactly? OPs not wrong. The newer crowds are so entwined with current CDNs/Stacks that their instant dismissal to a released product is wrong. It's common display that unless it's using some $cloud $lang its an instant dismissal of "You shouldn't do that, cloud/saas does this!" Nowadays folk don't understand the requirements of on-perm. The cloud aids but isn't a it-all.

I don’t mean to disparage the project or argue against on-prem, I’ve built and hosted too many servers for that.

I meant to suggest maybe it’s useful, but more in a niche way.

For example the growth in popularity has been steady but incremental.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by twosdai »

Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

Just to add to the noise. Tech literacy doesn't always translate into product or business literacy.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by Mindwipe »

Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

> Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website.

That video is likely to end up blocked by corporate users. If I'm a company I don't want to have my audience of potential customers looking things up on their lunch break reduced.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by cousin_it »

I love the idea of this project. But unfortunately there are economic reasons that make PeerTube unlikely to win. It's not even about the cost of video hosting, it would apply even if hosting was free.

Imagine yourself as a popular creator. You can put up your videos on an ad-free platform where users can watch them without distractions and be happy. Or you can put them on an ad-supported platform and get a cut of the sweet ad money. As your videos become more popular, the temptation to go for (2) will become stronger. So the free platform will experience a drain of the most popular content, and viewers will flock away accordingly too.

The same argument applies more generally to free vs commercial platforms. It's basically the reason why the internet sucks so much today. If there's a way to square this circle, I don't know it.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by loceng »

twosdai wrote: post #106
Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

Just to add to the noise. Tech literacy doesn't always translate into product or business literacy.

Nor critical thinking ability.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by treyd »

georgyo wrote: post #49
Klonoar wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but which platforms employ the power of the torrent protocol to distribute bandwidth so you can run with minimal costs? If TFA is to be believed, not PeerTube. ;P > We needed to settle a technical debt : v6 removes support for WebTorrent to focus on HLS. Both are technical bricks used to get peer-to-peer streaming in web browsers, but HLS is more fitted to what we are doing (and plan to do) with PeerTube

I did some testing of peertube a little over a year ago, and in practice you never used the webtorrent stuff anyway. The webtorrent always had a static http seed which is how videos played fast, but that web seed was usually more than capable of serving all the traffic. More so, it _must_ be capable of doing so because not all your clients will be able to support webtorrent effectively. In order to use a webtorrent,…

> At the point I'm pretty uncertain if a p2p web browser video app can exist and be usable enough to have people actually want to use it.

People really need to give up on the idea that the browser is a good foundation for robust p2p protocols. There's too many restrictions and the way users conventionally interact with web pages means that running instances of the client tend to be very ephemeral, even if you design it as an SPA. WebRTC kinda works as a transport but it's still a misapplication of the technology.

What PeerTube should do now is have some kind of opt-in peering between instances to mirror each others videos and provide secondary sources to share the load, and then later build some kind of desktop client for user mirroring of content.

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