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Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Re: Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

wmf wrote: post #4

Not terribly surprising given that Gaza is legally part of Israel. AFAIK the only place where Starlink is operating illegally is Iran (where presumably Elon has no business interests that can be threatened).

>AFAIK the only place where Starlink is operating illegally is Iran

And any country where they don't have approval by the local spectrum operator.

Unsure if it's changed, but I know in South Africa Starlink connections are/were _technically_ illegal since it is an unlicensed telecoms connection. Basically unenforceable by practical means to stop consumers though, and some hardware importers advertise without issue.

Re: Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Post by iudqnolq »

maxlin wrote: post #20
iudqnolq wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even Elon's strongest defenders must admit he explicitly says all sorts of things that turn out not to be true. His statements aren't strong evidence either way. There's no clear evidence when the geoblock went into place, we only know the date the Ukrainians first tried to use it. The geoblock included Ukrainian waters, so the sanctions argument can't be true

Just no. There's no reason to believe the situation isn't how it's stated. It's been written about how the Starlink geoblocks are quite notably _on_ the frontlines on ground, sometimes even to the ire of Ukranian operations when they move deeper. Logically it is not just to avoid Russians using it, but also because the Starlink service actually was never given to Ukraine to be used as an offensive weapon, which they…

I have absolutely no evidence either way, and I don't think you do either. Notably a judge just found Elon has a history of publicly lying in the context of autopilot advertisement.

You make a plausible argument, but zero percent chance is a stretch.

> It's been written about how the Starlink geoblocks are quite notably _on_ the frontlines on ground,

Which are not the internationally recognized borders of Russia and not the sanctions boundary. So that claim by Musk you repeated earlier is clearly false.

Re: Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Post by vidarh »

wodenokoto wrote: post #18
wodenokoto wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Oslo accord gives Israel right to control the airspace, but also gives the pale stone the right to operate an airport. So the accord does not give Israel sovereignty over the land. Israel denies that they are occupying the strip, so it’s hard to say that even Israel is claiming it as legally theirs.

Okay, so why doesn't it?

Why doesn't who what?

Re: Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Post by maxlin »

iudqnolq wrote: post #22
maxlin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just no. There's no reason to believe the situation isn't how it's stated. It's been written about how the Starlink geoblocks are quite notably _on_ the frontlines on ground, sometimes even to the ire of Ukranian operations when they move deeper. Logically it is not just to avoid Russians using it, but also because the Starlink service actually was never given to Ukraine to be used as an offensive weapon, which they…

I have absolutely no evidence either way, and I don't think you do either. Notably a judge just found Elon has a history of publicly lying in the context of autopilot advertisement. You make a plausible argument, but zero percent chance is a stretch. > It's been written about how the Starlink geoblocks are quite notably _on_ the frontlines on ground, Which are not the internationally recognized borders of Russia and…

Quit your sealioning and false equivalences. "Notably" I also just had a fart. Bears pretty much the same amount of relevance as a personal attack weaponizing some old FSD case which is pointless on its own, FSD is ahead anyone else in what it does.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/10/europe/ukraine-starlink-n... https://babel.ua/en/news/85349-ft-ukrainian-military-complai... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainia...

You can easily find more. If you look at a general-use Starlink "geo-hex grid" you can quite easily see how it is capable of being blocked area-wise, and that has been in use since the very beginning, to avoid breaking laws, being used against the terms Ukraine has been given access for, etc.

Your second point wouldn't really even require a response. What were you thinking writing that? Like how in the hell does the official border even relate to this considering it's not the actual border the Russians limit themselves to?

Re: Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Post by hardkorebob »

maxlin wrote: post #17
hardkorebob wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yawn33333 good nite thanks for playing dfc. No one over here feels superior to anyone. Again more assuming non intelligence demonstrated. With great power comes great responsibility. He hasn't demonstrated any of that.

This man is NOT REAL!! HE'S NOT THERE !!!

Nothing is real because it is all temporary but it is all certainly true.

Re: Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Post by iudqnolq »

maxlin wrote: post #24
iudqnolq wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have absolutely no evidence either way, and I don't think you do either. Notably a judge just found Elon has a history of publicly lying in the context of autopilot advertisement. You make a plausible argument, but zero percent chance is a stretch. > It's been written about how the Starlink geoblocks are quite notably _on_ the frontlines on ground, Which are not the internationally recognized borders of Russia and…

Quit your sealioning and false equivalences. "Notably" I also just had a fart. Bears pretty much the same amount of relevance as a personal attack weaponizing some old FSD case which is pointless on its own, FSD is ahead anyone else in what it does. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/10/europe/ukraine-starlink-n... https://babel.ua/en/news/85349-ft-ukrainian-military-complai... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_…

You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility. That makes lies he told in the past relevant to the question of whether we should trust his unverified assertion. FSD being ahead just means his lie was unnecessary.

> ? Like how in the hell does the official border even relate to this

You said "The geoblocks ... [are] limited to not allow access in Russia due to US sanctions!" US sanctions apply at the official border, so that can't have been the real reason.

Re: Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Post by inemesitaffia »

iudqnolq wrote: post #26
maxlin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quit your sealioning and false equivalences. "Notably" I also just had a fart. Bears pretty much the same amount of relevance as a personal attack weaponizing some old FSD case which is pointless on its own, FSD is ahead anyone else in what it does. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/10/europe/ukraine-starlink-n... https://babel.ua/en/news/85349-ft-ukrainian-military-complai... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_…

You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility. That makes lies he told in the past relevant to the question of whether we should trust his unverified assertion. FSD being ahead just means his lie was unnecessary. > ? Like how in the hell does the official border even relate to this You said "The geoblocks ... [are] limited to not allow access in Russia due to US sanctions!" US sanctions apply at the official border…

No they apply to Crimea, and Occupied Lughansk and Donbas

Re: Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Post by maxlin »

iudqnolq wrote: post #26
maxlin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quit your sealioning and false equivalences. "Notably" I also just had a fart. Bears pretty much the same amount of relevance as a personal attack weaponizing some old FSD case which is pointless on its own, FSD is ahead anyone else in what it does. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/10/europe/ukraine-starlink-n... https://babel.ua/en/news/85349-ft-ukrainian-military-complai... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_…

You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility. That makes lies he told in the past relevant to the question of whether we should trust his unverified assertion. FSD being ahead just means his lie was unnecessary. > ? Like how in the hell does the official border even relate to this You said "The geoblocks ... [are] limited to not allow access in Russia due to US sanctions!" US sanctions apply at the official border…

> You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility

No, you did. The guy's an engineer and a logical thinker, he doesn't dream up some bullshit explanations to fundamentally technical matters like the "white/blacklist" of hex squares and their default state.

You seem to have some really weird semantical thing you've getting attached to on the second "point". But in the end Russians aren't limited by their border, obviously Russians are deep in Ukraine, so to deny service to Russians, the blocks are done in areas where there are mostly / only Russians. Doing something else obviously would be counter-productive to satisfy the set requirements.

Re: Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Post by iudqnolq »

maxlin wrote: post #28
iudqnolq wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility. That makes lies he told in the past relevant to the question of whether we should trust his unverified assertion. FSD being ahead just means his lie was unnecessary. > ? Like how in the hell does the official border even relate to this You said "The geoblocks ... [are] limited to not allow access in Russia due to US sanctions!" US sanctions apply at the official border…

> You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility No, you did. The guy's an engineer and a logical thinker, he doesn't dream up some bullshit explanations to fundamentally technical matters like the "white/blacklist" of hex squares and their default state. You seem to have some really weird semantical thing you've getting attached to on the second "point". But in the end Russians aren't limited by their border, obvio…

You continue to argue we should believe Musk. But you don't address his history of lies. Why should I believe a liar, even if he's a "logical thinker".

> You seem to have some really weird semantical thing ...

The semantics of what exactly is Russia and what is Ukraine turns out to be quite relevant in general to these issues.

Re: Starlink will only operate in the Gaza Strip with the approval of Israel

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Post by maxlin »

iudqnolq wrote: post #29
maxlin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You brought in Elon Musk's personal credibility No, you did. The guy's an engineer and a logical thinker, he doesn't dream up some bullshit explanations to fundamentally technical matters like the "white/blacklist" of hex squares and their default state. You seem to have some really weird semantical thing you've getting attached to on the second "point". But in the end Russians aren't limited by their border, obvio…

You continue to argue we should believe Musk. But you don't address his history of lies. Why should I believe a liar, even if he's a "logical thinker". > You seem to have some really weird semantical thing ... The semantics of what exactly is Russia and what is Ukraine turns out to be quite relevant in general to these issues.

You have a negative amount of thought to add, just slander & playing weak mind games on something like trying to say there's no Russians in Ukraine.

I deem you're a Russian troll and move on.

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