Bjarne Stroustrup Quotes

Post by devjab » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 6:25 AM UTC

psychoslave wrote: post #129

devjab wrote: post #102

“The problem with many professors is that their previous occupation was student” This one is one of the more impactful on our industry in my opinion. I have a “side gig” as an external examiner, which means that every half year I get to sit through examinations on topics that I know most of the students will never ever have to use. And that’s the best case for much of it, the worst case is all the stuff they’re going…

>And that’s the best case for much of it, the worst case is all the stuff they’re going to need to unlearn to actually become good programmers in a world where much of the academic programming that is taught today is the same I learned more than 20 years ago. Not commenting on the general picture of "student to professor without any industrial experience in the middle", just this point. At some point, you have to acq…

Post by hardware2win » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 9:00 AM UTC

chubot wrote: post #149

chubot wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If basketball is so hard, then how did Michael Jordan score so many points?

Also I pointed out an issue in my comment that C# got wrong, then fixed -- closures created in loops

Post by rcxdude » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 9:47 AM UTC

jesse__ wrote: post #130

smarks wrote: post #91

“C++ is a language, not a religion.” I swear Stroustrup said this at the beginning of his EE380 (CS Colloquium) talk at Stanford around 1986. At the time we (grad students) were all C programmers and we were sure that C was the best language evar, at least, better than Pascal, which was the language Stanford used for teaching back then. So we all wanted to see this person who had the temerity to claim that he had imp…

I disagree so, so strongly with this. C++ programmers are one of the most religious groups around, eclipsed only recently by the rust community. Try telling a C++ programmer RAII is not a good idea. I dare you. Or smart-pointers. Or that the STL is mostly-garbage.. Trying to honestly have these conversations is typically an exercise in starting a religious flame-war.

Post by pjmlp » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 10:30 AM UTC

einpoklum wrote: post #154

pjmlp wrote: post #105

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Profiles will help on the domains where C++ is going to stay for a long time, like HPC, GPUs, game development, GCC/LLVM. However it is kind of late in domains where Rust, or other safer languages are already being used. They won't rewrite back into C++.

> domains where Rust ... [is] already being used The point is that Rust usage is still quite limited. This is a bit like C++ and D, two decades back; or perhaps even Scala and Java. The analogy isn't perfect, but the point is you had a language with a lot of potential usability-domain overlap which addressed some or many pain points and failures of the older, more popular language - but the older language embraced so…

Post by einpoklum » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 1:55 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #167

einpoklum wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> domains where Rust ... [is] already being used The point is that Rust usage is still quite limited. This is a bit like C++ and D, two decades back; or perhaps even Scala and Java. The analogy isn't perfect, but the point is you had a language with a lot of potential usability-domain overlap which addressed some or many pain points and failures of the older, more popular language - but the older language embraced so…

D suffered from lack of focus, and company sponsoring, hence why it hardly mattered to C++ folks. The domains that Java and .NET took away from C++ aren't coming back to C++, even if now they feel the pressure to have AOT and value types with better low level coding primitives. Additionally Java and .NET applications that get rewritten, most likely will be in one of those C++ wannabe successors, even if C++ is part o…

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