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X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by tb_technical »

valar_m wrote: post #188
systemstops wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your veiled threat answers that question.

Fyi everyone, this account promotes overtly racist[0] and anti-Semitic[1] content. [0] https://systemstops.substack.com/p/the-smart-apocalypse [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=systemstops#38439602

[0] "Now is the time to embrace the idea that all humans deserve equal treatment and dignity due to the simple fact that they are humans and abandon the idea that the value of people lies in their attributes, especially when those attributes are about to become much less valuable in the marketplace."

That conclusion surely sounds like racism to me!

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by valar_m »

wnevets wrote: post #173
rpmisms wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Uh, yes. Elon does not follow the program Doesn't follow which program? I can't believe this has to be said but billionaires are the elite.

I can answer what they meant with "does not follow the program."

The person you replied to is an overt racist who promotes anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish people.[0]

The line "does not follow the program" is an anti-Semitic dog whistle. You should feel really good about yourself that you completely missed the hidden meaning and thought they were referring to billionaires.

Background on dog whistles if you're unfamiliar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38441058

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by valar_m »

tb_technical wrote: post #191
valar_m wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fyi everyone, this account promotes overtly racist[0] and anti-Semitic[1] content. [0] https://systemstops.substack.com/p/the-smart-apocalypse [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=systemstops#38439602

[0] "Now is the time to embrace the idea that all humans deserve equal treatment and dignity due to the simple fact that they are humans and abandon the idea that the value of people lies in their attributes, especially when those attributes are about to become much less valuable in the marketplace." That conclusion surely sounds like racism to me!

What's funny is that the line you thought you cherry-picked as a gotcha actually tells the story:

> abandon the idea that the value of people lies in their attributes

For anyone reading, the "attribute" that the racist author is referring to is the intelligence of non-white people, which the racist author says is inferior to whites.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by [deleted] »

josteink wrote: post #32
rpmisms wrote: post #25

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That's compatible with freedom of speech. He's not censoring it, but he can show damages from misleading speech.

In this case it was specifically intentionally misleading (something they have logs to prove), and weaponized against the business of X itself. Clearly different from some random internet person saying something controversial or unpopular.

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Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by [deleted] »

davidw wrote: post #50
josteink wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case it was specifically intentionally misleading (something they have logs to prove), and weaponized against the business of X itself. Clearly different from some random internet person saying something controversial or unpopular.

People have replicated the results. Which isn't surprising, given how much trash content that place has these days. Also: does anyone think those big accounts just up and left after one shoestring organization published something? They most likely replicated the results themselves.

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Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by lolbase »

simondotau wrote: post #117
threeseed wrote: post #47

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Twitter is complying with more government demands under Elon Musk. [1] Before Musk, Twitter's full compliance rate hovered around 50%; since the takeover, it is over 80%. These countries include China [2] and India [3]. [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... [2] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitte... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accuse…

Musk has explicitly and repeatedly said that his standard for free speech is that which complies with the law in any given country. The logic is that domestic laws represent the will of their citizens and it shouldn't be a corporation's (or a billionaire's) responsibility to second guess this. Quote — "By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law. I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law. If…

> Musk has explicitly and repeatedly said that his standard for free speech is that which complies with the law in any given country.

Yet he has repeatedly demonstrated that this is not, in fact, his standard for free speech. It’s bizarre to pretend that it is.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by tb_technical »

valar_m wrote: post #193
tb_technical wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[0] "Now is the time to embrace the idea that all humans deserve equal treatment and dignity due to the simple fact that they are humans and abandon the idea that the value of people lies in their attributes, especially when those attributes are about to become much less valuable in the marketplace." That conclusion surely sounds like racism to me!

What's funny is that the line you thought you cherry-picked as a gotcha actually tells the story: > abandon the idea that the value of people lies in their attributes For anyone reading, the "attribute" that the racist author is referring to is the intelligence of non-white people, which the racist author says is inferior to whites.

It wasn't cherry picked. It was the concluding paragraph.

Additionally, nowhere in the essay does the author say that other ethnic groups are inferior to whites. In fact, it's only mentioned, tangentially, and not expanded upon, that different groups have different average IQs.

As an aside: If someone reaches the correct answer for the wrong reasons, are they wrong? Personally, I'm pragmatic, and don't care how people reach my ideals on the proper treatment of people.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by minerva23 »

valar_m wrote: post #90
rpmisms wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's compatible with freedom of speech. He's not censoring it, but he can show damages from misleading speech.

No, using the power of the legal system to silence speech you don't like is pretty much the polar opposite of being compatible with free speech.

Last Week Tonight did a deep dive on how the courts are used to censor people.

https://youtu.be/UN8bJb8biZU

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

#200

Post by valar_m »

tb_technical wrote: post #198
valar_m wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's funny is that the line you thought you cherry-picked as a gotcha actually tells the story: > abandon the idea that the value of people lies in their attributes For anyone reading, the "attribute" that the racist author is referring to is the intelligence of non-white people, which the racist author says is inferior to whites.

It wasn't cherry picked. It was the concluding paragraph. Additionally, nowhere in the essay does the author say that other ethnic groups are inferior to whites. In fact, it's only mentioned, tangentially, and not expanded upon, that different groups have different average IQs. As an aside: If someone reaches the correct answer for the wrong reasons, are they wrong? Personally, I'm pragmatic, and don't care how peopl…

I'm going to operate under the assumption that you're replying in good faith and truly don't recognize the racist and anti-Semitic dog whistles all throughout the article. I'll highlight some of them for you.

Btw, if you aren't familiar with dog whistles, read this first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)

Here is an anti-Semitic dog whistle that promotes the conspiracy theory that Jews control the media:

>Working with journalists was an enlightening experience. There were some amazing people, but I found many to be arrogant and self-centered. It was frustrating to me that such people were the gatekeepers that millions of people got their news on the world through.

The uses of "arrogant" and "self-centered" are dog whistles for anti-Semitic tropes about Jews being elitists and selfish, respectively, and the part about them being gatekeepers of the news refers to the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that Jews control the media.

Here we have two dog whistles in one sentence:

>I had gotten used to the fake politeness and backstabbing at the newspaper.

The "fake politeness" line is an anti-Semitic dog whistle intended to promote the idea of Jews being sneaky and untrustworthy. The word "backstabbing" is a dog whistle for the anti-Semitic Stab-in-the-back myth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth

Here is the author getting a little more explicit about what they're talking about:

>After the 2020 “racial reckoning” we saw the rapid increase in new social policies based on this logic.

Here is another dog whistle where the author refers to a person with a traditionally Jewish last name, which they directly associate with having secret evil intentions and hidden political power:

>In additional, activist public intellectuals such as Stephen J Gould sold a willing public on beliefs that were based less on science than egalitarian hopes and dreams.

These explanations have their merit, but I think they are too kind for assuming good intentions. Throughout human history, the powerful have sought to mystify the source of their power, whether it be through religion, divine mandate or royal inheritance.

I could go on, the article is absolutely full of racist and anti-Semitic dog whistles. Do you really not see them?

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