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Post by gmgmgmgmgm »

icambron wrote: post #91
dewey wrote: post #8

> One question you are probably wondering is why would the Prettier team fund another project!? In practice, Prettier has been the dominant code formatter for JavaScript and as a result of a lack of competition, there has been little incentive to push on performance and fix various edge cases. I was indeed wondering that but the answer doesn't really answer the question for me. Why not set a bounty to improve Prettie…

I can't speak for the Prettier folks, but as an OSS maintainer, I'm more interested in the problem being solved than everyone using my particular solution . I actually don't benefit at all from you using my code; I did all the work to make the world a place where $PROBLEM has an accessible solution. So if I were passionate about, say, JS code formatting, I would be pretty happy if someone came along and solved that p…

I'd be less interested if in order to fix a new issue related to my problem, that I had spend weeks to learn a whole new language, dev env, build system, etc just to add a feature that would have taken me 15 mins in the language I'm used to.

Of course I'd love to learn rust! But, for the most part, I just need to get stuff done so I'd prefer to stick with what I know and can mod easily and leave the "learn an entire new language" part for something that actually needed that language.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by rattray »

gmgmgmgmgm wrote: post #289
dewey wrote: post #8

> One question you are probably wondering is why would the Prettier team fund another project!? In practice, Prettier has been the dominant code formatter for JavaScript and as a result of a lack of competition, there has been little incentive to push on performance and fix various edge cases. I was indeed wondering that but the answer doesn't really answer the question for me. Why not set a bounty to improve Prettie…

Yes, I'm sure rust is amazing but, Just a guess that the number of programmers that can contribute to a rust project is probably 3-4 orders of magnitude less than the number of programmers that can contribute to a JavaScript project. Well, maybe if you subtract all the "competent enough to a submit a coherent pull request" programmers the number is only 2-3 orders of magnitude? Basically I'd assume, if a project targ…

Speaking as a contributor to Prettier, it is _not_ an easy codebase for someone who knows JS to just jump into and contribute.

Furthermore, projects like Ruff show you can have a lot of contributors for projects like this. Maybe because there are lots of devs who use TS or Python in their day job, but want excuses to use Rust on the side.

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Post by saila »

The_Colonel wrote: post #175
shepherdjerred wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the others said, Prettier isn't foundational. That said, it brings in _much_ more value than $1.5k/mo. It has eliminated styling arguments on teams that adopt it. The amount of time saved in PRs/reduction of bikeshedding is very valuable.

Meh, most devs I've met can format code better than Prettier. Having a consistent set of rules sounds alluring at first, but the issue is that mechanical application is, well, mechanical and therefore dumb. My personal impression is that the code style bike shedding is a sign of team immaturity. In the more mature teams (composed of more mature persons), I haven't really seen formatting bike shedding.

I used to be one of those devs, thinking I had the most beautiful coding style.

When I embraced formatters, I started spending so much less time and effort keeping the style "correct" and worrying about how other people on the team format code. I love just hitting save in my editor and having the code formatted without having to fiddle with quotes, wrapping, etc.

With regard to bike-shedding about style, it mostly goes away once a team adopts one of the standard formatters for a given language. That's sort of the whole point.

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Post by mplanchard »

gmgmgmgmgm wrote: post #289
dewey wrote: post #8

> One question you are probably wondering is why would the Prettier team fund another project!? In practice, Prettier has been the dominant code formatter for JavaScript and as a result of a lack of competition, there has been little incentive to push on performance and fix various edge cases. I was indeed wondering that but the answer doesn't really answer the question for me. Why not set a bounty to improve Prettie…

Yes, I'm sure rust is amazing but, Just a guess that the number of programmers that can contribute to a rust project is probably 3-4 orders of magnitude less than the number of programmers that can contribute to a JavaScript project. Well, maybe if you subtract all the "competent enough to a submit a coherent pull request" programmers the number is only 2-3 orders of magnitude? Basically I'd assume, if a project targ…

Anecdata, but as a maintainer of both Python and Rust projects, while it’s true that the Rust projects have fewer contributors/issues, the quality of contributions is on average higher

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Post by patcon »

dewey wrote: post #8

> One question you are probably wondering is why would the Prettier team fund another project!? In practice, Prettier has been the dominant code formatter for JavaScript and as a result of a lack of competition, there has been little incentive to push on performance and fix various edge cases. I was indeed wondering that but the answer doesn't really answer the question for me. Why not set a bounty to improve Prettie…

One would be a singular bespoke (and highly specified) improvement, and the other is likely a generalized flywheel that may keep incentivizing many further improvements

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Post by cjsplat »

laurencerowe wrote: post #245
llimllib wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

many things are more expensive when you don't work at a company - for example the health care for a marginal employee at GE is a lot cheaper than you'll get for yourself. I always used 2x, but probably 2.5x is a sensible way to think about it in a patio11 "charge more than you think you should" mold.

> many things are more expensive when you don't work at a company - for example the health care for a marginal employee at GE is a lot cheaper than you'll get for yourself. This is less true following the Affordable Care Act than it used to be. The unsubsidised marketplace rate for my Kaiser health insurance seems fairly close to what I pay for COBRA from my former big tech employer.

Interesting.

My Kaiser almost doubled from COBRA and coverage went from better-than-platinum to high deductible gold.

Google / SF market.

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Post by wokwokwok »

twodave wrote: post #173
wentin wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why not set a bounty to improve Prettier instead of building a competing project just to increase the motivation to improve Prettier? There are three reasons, I think: 1. Writing a rust compiler is separate from prettier project because of its nature. Prettier is not written in Rust, and Rust has proven to be a robust option to write a formatter, so the goal really is to write a formatter in Rust itself, and it can…

I came here to say that $200/hour is only "extremely conservative" in very few and small geographic parts of the world. Where I'm from (in a large city in the US) this number would be described as extravagant. I've charged $200 or more on only one occasion myself, and it was a very short-term arrangement.

> very few and small geographic parts of the world

There's reasonably good data about this that contradicts this?

$1000 as a day rate isn't unusual or unreasonable for a specialist IT contractor; and I don't say that idly; I say it from both experience and you know; aggregated data:

- https://www.hays.com.au/documents/276732/1102429/Hays+Techno...

- https://www.itcontracting.com/rate-checker/

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32606348

Yes, if you want someone to slap a php website together (or javascript, or many other entry level frameworks), you can pay less.

...but that's not what they were asking; they were asking for a technically sophisticated analysis of an existing project and a performant re-implementation in rust.

They got a bargain.

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Post by wentin »

The_Colonel wrote: post #183
wentin wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People use ultrawide screen, with half screen dedicated to browser, half screen for code editor, and two columns open in editor. This is very modern setup, and 80 is perfect for it. Don't limit your thinking to your own setup. I think discussion on the perfect limit on public forum is non-sense. It might be slightly less non-sense to discuss it with your team, but even that I think it is bike-shredding most of the ti…

> People use ultrawide screen, with half screen dedicated to browser, half screen for code editor, and two columns open in editor. This is very modern setup, and 80 is perfect for it. Don't limit your thinking to your own setup. It kind of sounds like you're promoting your own setup. The funny thing I see the most is that people with these crazy widescreen monitors still maximize just one window, with just one file o…

Not promoting my setup, but just to point out that 80 is a sensible default, and it is not based / targeted for ancient old rare setups.
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