Died "with covid" or "of covid"..? Hmm ...
They died of covid. Any other questions we can answer for you?
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Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022
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Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's extremely well known that this is a common objection to such claims. You'd think that if the data truly was died FROM covid, they would bend over backwards to make that really clear, in order to shut up "deniers". The fact that they don't mention or clarify the issue in anyway is pretty telling. I tried looking through the related sources and found nothing useful to clarify.
"Cause of death" is pretty clear. Your theory is trivially debunkable by the numbers in the table. The individual casues of death on in 2022 sum up to 334,121. The total number of deaths for the year is indicated as 334,081. If they're double/triple-counting ailments, they wouldn't match up. (I preusme the mismatch of ~40 is a typo or something in one of the rows.)
> "Cause of death" is pretty clear.
Is it? The official Canadian definition calls for a “clinically compatible disease”, and “discretion may be used”. COVID also only needs to be a “contributing factor”.
https://ipac-canada.org/coronavirus-resources#:~:text=A%20pr...).
Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022
#103Before 2020, there was no covid, but the number of deaths from influenza was higher. Once covid arrived, there were many fewer influenza deaths:
2018: 8594 2019: 6945 2020: 6037 2021: 4115 2022: 5985
Who dies of influenza? Very old people. Same for covid. Perhaps what we're seeing in these statistics is that the grim reaper may have changed, but he's still gonna get you at end of life.
Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, first off I'm going to say "citation needed", but secondly, I haven't had a single transmissible illness since I started wearing KN95 whenever I'm around people indoors. This includes going to crowded markets, trans-continental flights, a recent concert... Of course, wearing some flimsy loose thing that barely even covers your face (like those "surgical" masks that are typically handed out) is certainly going t…
> I haven't had a single transmissible illness since I started wearing KN95 whenever I'm around people indoors You mean you haven't gotten ill since you started being hyperparanoid about getting ill? Sure, that's not really surprising. Tying the result specifically to the masking itself is still speculative though, as would be generalizing your specific case to the whole population, eg. as you say, "decently fitting…
> hyperparanoid
That is really far beyond polite - and I'm guessing against guidelines. Especially since it is a psycological term.
You can disagree without being disagreeable.
Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Cause of death" is pretty clear. Your theory is trivially debunkable by the numbers in the table. The individual casues of death on in 2022 sum up to 334,121. The total number of deaths for the year is indicated as 334,081. If they're double/triple-counting ailments, they wouldn't match up. (I preusme the mismatch of ~40 is a typo or something in one of the rows.)
> "Cause of death" is pretty clear. Is it? The official Canadian definition calls for a “clinically compatible disease”, and “discretion may be used”. COVID also only needs to be a “contributing factor”. https://ipac-canada.org/coronavirus-resources#:~:text=A%20pr... ).
You're very, very selectively quoting. Here's the full bit:
> A probable or confirmed COVID-19 case whose death resulted from a clinically compatible illness, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death identified (e.g., trauma, poisoning, drug overdose).
> A Medical Officer of Health, relevant public health authority, or coroner may use their discretion when determining if a death was due to COVID-19, and their judgement will supersede the above-mentioned criteria.
> A death due to COVID-19 may be attributed when COVID-19 is the cause of death or is a contributing factor.
Basically, if you test positive for COVID and die of pneumonia or sepsis, they're comfortable calling it a COVID death... but "discretion may be used" by the coroner to override that assumption in either direction. That's sensible; they have more specific info than a general guideline.
As the third paragraph also indicates, "due to COVID" is different from "cause of death".
Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I'm not seeing the purpose of your comment. You make an unsupported assertion ("Masks don't prevent Covid") and then invalidate my lived experience with some arbitrary speculation. "Probably had COVID"? Okay? I don't believe I have. Not sure what you're expecting to get out of this, should I just stop wearing masks because HN rando harassed me about it like I already experience in-person for the past X years?
They don't prevent covid. Everyone gets covid. Just like everyone gets the common cold, with or without a mask. Even if they worked for a time, it wouldn't be ideal to wear them permanently, as your quality of life would be permanently degraded and your natural immunity deficit would continue to grow to the point that ordinary diseases would seriously harm you.
Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Cause of death" is pretty clear. Is it? The official Canadian definition calls for a “clinically compatible disease”, and “discretion may be used”. COVID also only needs to be a “contributing factor”. https://ipac-canada.org/coronavirus-resources#:~:text=A%20pr... ).
You're very, very selectively quoting. Here's the full bit: > A probable or confirmed COVID-19 case whose death resulted from a clinically compatible illness , unless there is a clear alternative cause of death identified (e.g., trauma, poisoning, drug overdose). > A Medical Officer of Health, relevant public health authority, or coroner may use their discretion when determining if a death was due to COVID-19, and th…
The full quote is worse! You did read the definition in my original link of a “probable case”, right? You can be a “probable case” if you have similar symptoms and were near a known case.
>”due to COVID” is different from “cause of death”
Yes, in this wording “a death due to COVID may be attributed…” is the bit that goes on the death certificate. Reading the full sentence, it clarifies COVID has only to contribute to a death for it that to be recorded as COVID death.
Reading these official definitions, if you die with a raised temperature and a cough, and were near other COVID cases, that’s all that is needed to be a COVID death.
Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're very, very selectively quoting. Here's the full bit: > A probable or confirmed COVID-19 case whose death resulted from a clinically compatible illness , unless there is a clear alternative cause of death identified (e.g., trauma, poisoning, drug overdose). > A Medical Officer of Health, relevant public health authority, or coroner may use their discretion when determining if a death was due to COVID-19, and th…
The full quote is worse ! You did read the definition in my original link of a “probable case”, right? You can be a “probable case” if you have similar symptoms and were near a known case. >”due to COVID” is different from “cause of death” Yes, in this wording “a death due to COVID may be attributed…” is the bit that goes on the death certificate. Reading the full sentence, it clarifies COVID has only to contribute t…
Again, this theory simply cannot explain the numbers in the “cause of death” tallies we’re discussing.
A death certificate can list multiple reasons, but they aren’t making that mistake or the total deaths count would be a mega-blowout.
Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
The full quote is worse ! You did read the definition in my original link of a “probable case”, right? You can be a “probable case” if you have similar symptoms and were near a known case. >”due to COVID” is different from “cause of death” Yes, in this wording “a death due to COVID may be attributed…” is the bit that goes on the death certificate. Reading the full sentence, it clarifies COVID has only to contribute t…
Again, this theory simply cannot explain the numbers in the “cause of death” tallies we’re discussing. A death certificate can list multiple reasons, but they aren’t making that mistake or the total deaths count would be a mega-blowout.
I don’t know what “theory” you are referring to, as I am only talking about the official definition of a COVID death of the country in question.
>the total deaths count would be a mega-blowout
Maybe. Due to the absurdly lax definitions, we will never know.
Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the newer variants are less lethal. Is this true, or does just about everyone have at least some residual immunity from infection/vaccination?
I never tested positive for COVID in the entire 3.5 years of this crap ... until last month. I have had 4 rounds of the vaccine and didn't ever get it in prior winters even when it was in my house (daughter had it before) -- but didn't get my booster in time this fall to do anything about the rather insane wave making its way through the population right now (thanks Doug Ford, you incompetent buffoon). And so I got i…
> (thanks Doug Ford, you incompetent buffoon)
I don't understand, why are you blaming a politician for a virus?