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Re: The Periodic Table of Tools

#131

This displays what I would consider to be a fairly limited knowledge of tools. Saws, for instance, take a variety of forms, and lumping all of the large ones into "big saws" rather ignores the fact that their use is fundamentally dependent on what kind of saw they are. Not their size. And perplexingly, miniature table saws are lumped in with other big saws. I'd also submit that a bung hole auger (lumped in with antiq…

OK, you've made the first criticism I actually agree with! Bung hole augers do belong with reamers, not with augers. In my defense, they are called bung hole augers, and all the ones I have are antique, so they naturally gravitated to the antique augers category, but I should have known better, and for that I am sorry. Some of them don't even have augers at the front! The criticism of saws I reject: I split them by m…

This table seems heavily biased towards the home woodworker/DIYer with some random antique hand tools thrown into the mix.

I also can't really make heads or tails of the organization. How can "saw teeth," "air pressure tools," and "crescent wrench" each occupy a square? Saw teeth are a part of a blade, air pressure tools is category of power source for any tool, and crescent wrench is a brand of adjustable spanner/wrench. This system makes no sense.

I also cannot find shitloads of common tools even if we are sticking with home scale woodworking. Off the top of my head, where is the router table? The shaper? The jointer? The impact driver? The drum sander? The wide belt sander? The spindle sander?

Re: The Periodic Table of Tools

#132

This displays what I would consider to be a fairly limited knowledge of tools. Saws, for instance, take a variety of forms, and lumping all of the large ones into "big saws" rather ignores the fact that their use is fundamentally dependent on what kind of saw they are. Not their size. And perplexingly, miniature table saws are lumped in with other big saws. I'd also submit that a bung hole auger (lumped in with antiq…

OK, you've made the first criticism I actually agree with! Bung hole augers do belong with reamers, not with augers. In my defense, they are called bung hole augers, and all the ones I have are antique, so they naturally gravitated to the antique augers category, but I should have known better, and for that I am sorry. Some of them don't even have augers at the front! The criticism of saws I reject: I split them by m…

> The criticism of saws I reject: I split them by material in columns (wood- v.s metal-cutting), and by size vertically (getting heavier/more powerful as you go down a column).

You have a single square for Bandsaws regardless of size or materials. Beneath band saw is a square called "other tools" which is on the same row as "big saws" but has an image of WD-40 and Duct Tape.

Re: The Periodic Table of Tools

#133

This displays what I would consider to be a fairly limited knowledge of tools. Saws, for instance, take a variety of forms, and lumping all of the large ones into "big saws" rather ignores the fact that their use is fundamentally dependent on what kind of saw they are. Not their size. And perplexingly, miniature table saws are lumped in with other big saws. I'd also submit that a bung hole auger (lumped in with antiq…

I 100% agree and I think the periodic table is an inappropriate abstraction for organizing tools.

Re: The Periodic Table of Tools

#134
post #70

As a former chemist and all-around maker, I love this and this bugs me all at once. I love the concept, but as others have pointed out, this is less a "periodic table" and more "grab bag of related things". You see these all over the place: foods, drinks, cars, etc. All table, no periodicity. Why are wrenches and drills strewn across three groups? Put the wrenches in one group, drills in the other. Impact drivers som…

You complain that wrenches and drills are spread over several columns? Look at a periodic table please! The diagonal line splitting wrenches from drills is precisely the diagonal line splitting ordinary metals from non-metals. That’s one of the bits I’m most proud of! You have no idea how long I agonized over how to make this arrangement not be arbitrary, while at the same time dealing with some of the realities of h…

Oof. Well I feel like an internet twat now :p However this is also one of my most heavily accoladed HN posts (in terms of imaginary internet points) so clearly this struck a chord with a lot of readers.

Clearly you are optimizing a different set of constraints and loss function. It seems like you value sticking closer to overall shape and count, as well as certain allegories between the tool and the element of that slot.

But on the other hand, like, why not solder at 82 (Lead)? Why not collets at 24 (Chromium) (a pun on CR collets and also collets are frequently high-chromium steel). Make room for oxy cutter / thermic lance on 8?

This is some god-tier nerd sniping, I love it.

> By all means rag on me for that choice too.

Actually I thought that was a great touch. Also I am pretty sure even-sized wrenches (hex in particular) is a reference to 6-member carbon rings, very appropriate.

> But then I ran out of heat-related tools that made the cut to be categories

You could fill halogens exclusively with welding processes. Odd/even wrenches are separate, why aren't AC and DC welding, or stick/mig/tig? Absolutely this is one of those "engineering/design decision" tarpits.

But...

BUT...

Really, when I think about what the periodic table means to me, I don't think about it in terms of shape, count, or location even. Really, I think about it in terms of valence electrons. My orgo teacher always said "The electron is where it's at". If I need a soft +2, I could grab Mg or Ca, sure, but maybe Cu2+ will do the trick. I can make soap (or something soap-like) with basically anything reasonably willing to shed those first two electrons. I can reach in my chemical toolbox for one of a collection of similar atoms to pull off a certain task, because of that lovely electronic geometric dance of electrons. And it just feels like the "shape" of each group going down the line is just not as consistent as my, admittedly very neurotic, neurospicy brain would like. And that's a me thing. Fundamentally, this is all my opinion.

> In conclusion, please keep the hate flowing and buy my poster and book.

You definitely earned a purchase for me :) I was already eyeing it but your rebuttal definitely sealed the deal.

I'm sure you put countless hours of effort and emotion and decision into your table and I don't mean to detract from the art of it (and let this be a lesson to the audience of the perils of feeling pseudonymous on the internet). I really appreciate the work. But boy howdy does it nerd-snipe me!

Re: The Periodic Table of Tools

#135
post #87
post #70

As a former chemist and all-around maker, I love this and this bugs me all at once. I love the concept, but as others have pointed out, this is less a "periodic table" and more "grab bag of related things". You see these all over the place: foods, drinks, cars, etc. All table, no periodicity. Why are wrenches and drills strewn across three groups? Put the wrenches in one group, drills in the other. Impact drivers som…

Yes. Good thoughts but bottom line, it's trying to shoehorn something completely different into a form that makes it appear sophisticated. I think it just undercuts science. The periodic table is formed by important features of reality recognized in the elements, ultimately originating in quantum mechanics. Pretending that the structure applies to any capricious thing conveys an idea that the structure and reality is…

Valid. But so long as "periodic table of X" is a trope, I'm gonna complain about them.

I could have sworn there was a subreddit or something for "bad periodic tables", where someone has laid out a collection in a table-shaped way, without any mind to organization or patterns. But all I find now is "breaking bad" related stuff. Maybe it was a fever dream.

I agree that it's fairly arbitrary, but humans like order and structure and patterns. I think that's why the periodic table is captivating and magical.

Re: The Periodic Table of Tools

#136
post #135
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Good thoughts but bottom line, it's trying to shoehorn something completely different into a form that makes it appear sophisticated. I think it just undercuts science. The periodic table is formed by important features of reality recognized in the elements, ultimately originating in quantum mechanics. Pretending that the structure applies to any capricious thing conveys an idea that the structure and reality is…

Valid. But so long as "periodic table of X" is a trope, I'm gonna complain about them. I could have sworn there was a subreddit or something for "bad periodic tables", where someone has laid out a collection in a table-shaped way, without any mind to organization or patterns. But all I find now is "breaking bad" related stuff. Maybe it was a fever dream. I agree that it's fairly arbitrary, but humans like order and s…

Structure and patterns are great. I've love to see some structural classification of tools based on the nature of tools, not the quantum mechanical patterns of electron orbitals of atoms. :)

Re: The Periodic Table of Tools

#137

Ah the Vise Grip Plier. It should not exist. It destroys everything on its path. The presentation card of the no-good craftsman wannabe. Banned in my garage. The Arsenic of tools.

Vice grips are a perfectly acceptable tool when you need to remove a small stripped screw and plan to replace it with a fresh one.

Re: The Periodic Table of Tools

#138
post #87
post #70

As a former chemist and all-around maker, I love this and this bugs me all at once. I love the concept, but as others have pointed out, this is less a "periodic table" and more "grab bag of related things". You see these all over the place: foods, drinks, cars, etc. All table, no periodicity. Why are wrenches and drills strewn across three groups? Put the wrenches in one group, drills in the other. Impact drivers som…

Yes. Good thoughts but bottom line, it's trying to shoehorn something completely different into a form that makes it appear sophisticated. I think it just undercuts science. The periodic table is formed by important features of reality recognized in the elements, ultimately originating in quantum mechanics. Pretending that the structure applies to any capricious thing conveys an idea that the structure and reality is…

To me, the idea of grouping by basic, fundamental attributes to gain insight Has value.

While I agree the analogy is pushing things, using it as a jump board to perhaps uncover something subtle by using a different shape may prove to be useful in a way similar to how the periodic table is useful.

Re: The Periodic Table of Tools

#139
post #70

As a former chemist and all-around maker, I love this and this bugs me all at once. I love the concept, but as others have pointed out, this is less a "periodic table" and more "grab bag of related things". You see these all over the place: foods, drinks, cars, etc. All table, no periodicity. Why are wrenches and drills strewn across three groups? Put the wrenches in one group, drills in the other. Impact drivers som…

You complain that wrenches and drills are spread over several columns? Look at a periodic table please! The diagonal line splitting wrenches from drills is precisely the diagonal line splitting ordinary metals from non-metals. That’s one of the bits I’m most proud of! You have no idea how long I agonized over how to make this arrangement not be arbitrary, while at the same time dealing with some of the realities of h…

What are pliers doing in the actinides??

Re: The Periodic Table of Tools

#140
post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You complain that wrenches and drills are spread over several columns? Look at a periodic table please! The diagonal line splitting wrenches from drills is precisely the diagonal line splitting ordinary metals from non-metals. That’s one of the bits I’m most proud of! You have no idea how long I agonized over how to make this arrangement not be arbitrary, while at the same time dealing with some of the realities of h…

Oof. Well I feel like an internet twat now :p However this is also one of my most heavily accoladed HN posts (in terms of imaginary internet points) so clearly this struck a chord with a lot of readers. Clearly you are optimizing a different set of constraints and loss function. It seems like you value sticking closer to overall shape and count, as well as certain allegories between the tool and the element of that s…

> But on the other hand, like, why not solder at 82 (Lead)?

Two reasons: (1) solder largely doesn't contain lead anymore. It's been completely banned from plumbing solder in most countries, and its use in electrical solder is rapidly declining. (2) As you say, I valued different things than you apparently would. Solder in that position would not connect meaningfully with other heat-related tools, which otherwise form a nice column. I did that for copper and copper alone because there are such a large and attractive variety of brass and bronze tools it was just too good of a category to pass up, and because having a skipped beat in the cutting tools seemed like a good idea. (Four sets of ten cutting tools in a row could get monotonous in the book, so each row is broken up a bit, for flow reasons).

> Also I am pretty sure even-sized wrenches (hex in particular) is a reference to 6-member carbon rings, very appropriate.

Oh My God. Believe it or not, the fact that even-sided wrenches are in the carbon space, and that the image prominently features the one wrench I have that looks most like a benzene ring, is completely accidental. I absolutely did not plan it that way. Thank you for pointing out how brilliant even my subconscious mind must be.

> You could fill halogens exclusively with welding processes.

It comes down to page counts. Choosing 118 categories isn't just to arbitrarily make it fit the periodic table, but also to very non-arbitrarily make it fit the page count my publisher aims for in all of my books (this being #6 in the same visual style). Sure, there could have been a few more or a few less, but 118 plus introduction/conclusion is a good fit, and so why not make it exactly fit the table format? Splitting up welding would have required dropping other things, and on balance I made the decision that all welding has to fit on one page.

> I don't think about it in terms of shape, count, or location even.

Here is where we get into fun vs. deep meaning. The iconic shape of the real periodic table is one of the most recognizable shapes in the world. It's like the Nike logo, the atom symbol, an apple with a bite out of it, etc. It's a shape billions of people recognize. When you take that specific shape, and none other, and repurpose it into a classification of something else, it creates the momentary dissonance that is the essence of humor. Periodic Table of Tools is of course not nearly as funny as the classic Periodic Table of Vegetables, but it's way funnier than the Well Organized and Sensible Classification Table of Tools. Fun sells.

I appreciate your appreciation of how hard this is. It is not until you start actually trying to create a real, specific arrangement of actual tools that you see all the subtle issues. Believe me, if you came up with your own periodic table of tools, you too would end up with compromises and inconsistencies that would get you sniped at on hackernews.

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