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My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar

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Re: My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar

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Nice work and nice writeup. It's interesting to me how strongly the design of original radar displays anchors the project. Your toddler might never interact with a real CRT, much less an ASR-9 with a PPI display. But you've gone to great lengths to simulate one for her.

Partly because of your affinity for skeumorphism, as you said, but it may also be because the OG radar display is a fantastic distillation of "Is there something in the sky and where is it relative to me?" All the UIs we have for sky-watching now have moved away from that in favor of contextual data or linking out to other services (or creating space to display ads). In the process of presenting all that additional information, they've lost the ability to easily answer that particular question.

Re: My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar

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I'm surprised this is getting downvoted: Completely different type of project and misleading headline. Still a cool project!

I downvoted for implied tone. while their comment is true, sertbdfgbnfgsd could be less of a dick about it.

Re: My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar

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So many people say: "Don't take young kids abroad, they won't really remember those travels." BS. I took my son to Brazil, it was great, we got on a $1 cab ride, got on a pirate ship, endless alpine slide after the aerial tram, and went to the Botanical Garden in Rio. (He did say: "that day was totally boring, we didn't do anything!", but I know it was the greatest day of his life, and I can point out all those thing…

Very off topic, but I +1 this. I am half and half and as a baby and young kid we went to one spot every summary. To this day I remember these travels. They matter a lot indeed.

That's great to hear. I think my kids recall the experiences, but you do, and you were a kid doing that. In twenty years I hope to hear the same things from my kids.

Re: My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar

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post #122

So many people say: "Don't take young kids abroad, they won't really remember those travels." BS. I took my son to Brazil, it was great, we got on a $1 cab ride, got on a pirate ship, endless alpine slide after the aerial tram, and went to the Botanical Garden in Rio. (He did say: "that day was totally boring, we didn't do anything!", but I know it was the greatest day of his life, and I can point out all those thing…

I don't think it's strictly the experience in a memory facsimile, "let me quiz the kids" format that matters. There are a mind boggling number of new and unique data points and methods of delivery kids are exposed to during travel which is really healthy for a developing human mind to have as part of its growth regimen. Travel is one of the last things I will cut if times get tough for our family, before essentials such as food and shelter.

Re: My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar

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I occasionally get large military transport planes that buzz my rural area at very low altitudes, often below my house in a canyon just a 3 iron away. I suppose they're training. The roar is epic. It'd be nice to get a little notification when that's about to happen. Not enough to write my own app for it though. Kudos for the hustle.

We get similar here and it's on my (long) todo list to set up a notification for low incoming planes.

Re: My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar

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I love the design but go one step further - forget the API and get an SDR that is tuned to ADB frequencies at 1090 Mhz and gather the data yourself. Then she'll have a true radar. Edit: fair point on what a radar is, today I re-remembered :)

Disregarding the other replies for a moment where they rightfully call out that it wouldn't be radar, wouldn't they still need a publicly available API for this data if they wanted to access it outside of their house (e.g., when at the park)? So at that point, why add the additional complexity if there's already someone sharing ADS-B data to OpenSky for your area?

Re: My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar

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Another fun project would be to build your own ADS-B receiver! https://www.adsbexchange.com/ways-to-join-the-exchange/

Just a few weeks ago I got interested in this as well ("where does FR24 get its data from?"). I ended up buying a cheap RTL-SDR dongle (R820T2) and a small outdoor antenna. I run the free dump1090 tool (I'm on Fedora) to decode ADS-B messages, then my own simple "radar-like" visualization program ([1]) connects to dump1090's network socket to receive decoded data (SBS1 textual format). Even with the antenna just sitt…

I see your use of rust, and I have to mention I designed a Rust ADS-B decoder and TUI radar application myself ([1])

[1] https://github.com/rsadsb/adsb_deku/

Re: My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar

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This is great! Small detail question: Did CRT radar scopes really have scan lines? I would have guessed they were vector displays. Re. list of extra features: Since the app targets planespotting, it would be cool to show aircraft type, maybe for a few seconds after you tap a blip.

Just to expand on one point the other two replies touched on: The beam does indeed scan radially outward from the center (though the angle can either be produced by physically rotating the deflection plates, or computing sin/cos electronically and applying to the x/y plates), and the amplitude of the returned signal does directly drive the beam current (so a target with a larger return will appear brighter.

Additionally, there's also a storage tube effect going on, too--but it works like the variable-persistence mode found in certain oscilloscopes, not the bi-stable mode found in storage-tube x-y vector displays for early computers (some o'scopes had both var persist and bi-stable modes).

One consequence of the above is related to early attempts at designing stealth airplanes, like the SR-71 and XB-70: The beam current is set such that the radar tube tends to build up the "blip" over multiple sweeps, and the blip usually moves less than its own diameter between sweeps.

But, if the airplane has an intrinsically low radar cross-section and if it is moving so fast that the blimp moves a greater distance between sweeps... the radar operator may just interpret the little ghost blips as noise, especially if he or she is overwhelmed by a large number of targets.

Re: My toddler loves planes, so I built her a radar

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post #122

So many people say: "Don't take young kids abroad, they won't really remember those travels." BS. I took my son to Brazil, it was great, we got on a $1 cab ride, got on a pirate ship, endless alpine slide after the aerial tram, and went to the Botanical Garden in Rio. (He did say: "that day was totally boring, we didn't do anything!", but I know it was the greatest day of his life, and I can point out all those thing…

So much this, and you never really know what kids will remember.
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