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X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by ThalesX »

Volundr wrote: post #67
ThalesX wrote: post #12

X is the best social media platform out there at this point. What are the alternatives? Meta's Facebook, Instagram? TikTok? It's just bollocks. X is where a lot of interesting people post, and where freedom of speech is the most upheld. Community notes is also a super interesting aspect. It's not X's fault someone follows nazis or whatever and don't know where the mute / block buttons are.

> freedom of speech is the most upheld As long as you don't want to talk about decolonization ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435 ) or people being cis-gender ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841 ) or whatever else Elon doesn't like this week. For the record, neither or these things are what he claims they are.

That's like... his opinion man. Try posting your own, see if you get banned like the Twitter of old.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by smelly101 »

nomel wrote: post #68
threeseed wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter is complying with more government demands under Elon Musk. [1] Before Musk, Twitter's full compliance rate hovered around 50%; since the takeover, it is over 80%. These countries include China [2] and India [3]. [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... [2] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitte... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accuse…

The twitter files showed that, previously, some of the compliance was side channel, which makes the previous compliance rate suspect. edit: is this not accepted fact, at this point?

This is a good point. They were literally doing the NSA's/CIA/FBI??? bidding at one point.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by wtfwhateven »

smelly101 wrote: post #30
wnevets wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and where freedom of speech is the most upheld. Elon is literally suing for speech he doesn't like.

Can you go into more detail? He pays for peoples legal funds who have issues with free speech on twitter no matter if he agrees or not.

>He pays for peoples legal funds who have issues with free speech on twitter no matter if he agrees or not.

No he does not.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by stainablesteel »

Volundr wrote: post #67
ThalesX wrote: post #12

X is the best social media platform out there at this point. What are the alternatives? Meta's Facebook, Instagram? TikTok? It's just bollocks. X is where a lot of interesting people post, and where freedom of speech is the most upheld. Community notes is also a super interesting aspect. It's not X's fault someone follows nazis or whatever and don't know where the mute / block buttons are.

> freedom of speech is the most upheld As long as you don't want to talk about decolonization ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435 ) or people being cis-gender ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841 ) or whatever else Elon doesn't like this week. For the record, neither or these things are what he claims they are.

one is a call for genocide, undeniably.

the cis thing is whatever, it should be allowed and it is. but if you use it to harass someone, same as if you used other slurs, it would be taken as harassment. this isn't insane for an online platform.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by ThalesX »

Minor49er wrote: post #66
ThalesX wrote: post #12

X is the best social media platform out there at this point. What are the alternatives? Meta's Facebook, Instagram? TikTok? It's just bollocks. X is where a lot of interesting people post, and where freedom of speech is the most upheld. Community notes is also a super interesting aspect. It's not X's fault someone follows nazis or whatever and don't know where the mute / block buttons are.

The dumpster behind Domino's has some pepperoni slices in it. The other dumpsters pale in comparison with their offerings

Ultimately, we choose what we consume. Do I want a dumpster with pepperoni or not? I'm taking the pepperoni one. I don't get the moral highground of people without alternatives.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by lolbase »

stainablesteel wrote: post #106
lolbase wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where freedom of speech is the most upheld. This is only true if one defines freedom of speech extremely narrowly; specifically if you want to use racial slurs, or if you want to attack lgbtq folks. Material criticism of Elon or his endeavors routinely results in bans. This has resulted in him banning numerous high profile journalists. Elon banned individuals who posted Elon's locations, after Grimes used that info…

even if this is true, whatever you know what isn't banned now? having centrist, or even right wing opinions you can also see the violence and terrorism that the mainstream media refuses to report on there's a lot of political voices that are being allowed to speak finally, whereas before they've been stifled due to political persecution coupled with insane deplatforming. X as a free speech platform is doing a great j…

Can you please name some right wing opinions that used to be banned, and is no longer banned?

Be specific.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by simondotau »

threeseed wrote: post #47
smelly101 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you go into more detail? He pays for peoples legal funds who have issues with free speech on twitter no matter if he agrees or not.

Twitter is complying with more government demands under Elon Musk. [1] Before Musk, Twitter's full compliance rate hovered around 50%; since the takeover, it is over 80%. These countries include China [2] and India [3]. [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... [2] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitte... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accuse…

Musk has explicitly and repeatedly said that his standard for free speech is that which complies with the law in any given country. The logic is that domestic laws represent the will of their citizens and it shouldn't be a corporation's (or a billionaire's) responsibility to second guess this.

Quote — "By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law. I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law. If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect. Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people." [0]

Quote — "Like I said, my preference is to hew close to the laws of countries in which Twitter operates. If the citizens want something banned, then pass a law to do so, otherwise it should be allowed." [1]

Personally I think this the only sane stance for a corporation like Twitter/X. We shouldn't be looking to capitalist non-democratic corporations as an end-run around governments — especially democratic governments.

[0] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376?lang...

[1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1523654106745020418?lang...

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by lolbase »

ThalesX wrote: post #108
lolbase wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where freedom of speech is the most upheld. This is only true if one defines freedom of speech extremely narrowly; specifically if you want to use racial slurs, or if you want to attack lgbtq folks. Material criticism of Elon or his endeavors routinely results in bans. This has resulted in him banning numerous high profile journalists. Elon banned individuals who posted Elon's locations, after Grimes used that info…

[flagged]

Paul was later unbanned. My narrative was true.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by nurettin »

ThalesX wrote: post #104
nurettin wrote: post #82

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A sewer is the best way to flood crap. "Shitposting" is a term popularized within this medium of exchange. People have been conditioned and encouraged to share their momentary disposable thoughts on the platform in an impulsive manner for over a decade. As a result: outrage, controversy, demagoguery and subsequent deleting of such impulsive and unfiltered crap is very common. A lot of it is also unintelligible drivel…

> As a result: outrage, controversy, demagoguery and subsequent deleting of such impulsive and unfiltered crap is very common. 100% depends on who you follow. It says more about the follower than the platform to be honest.

You don't even need to have an account (I don't). This is common news.
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