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Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by girvo »

prox wrote: post #516
pyrale wrote: post #366

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> Webpages loading that bit snappier really was a big deal back then No, it wasn't. Quick reminder, the issue with IE was webpages loading broken, or not loading at all. People that used that crap didn't switch because "Chrome was a bit snappier than FF", they switched because all of a sudden every webpage, many sotfware install wizard, and even billboards on the street told them to switch to Chrome. Some "toolbars"…

Now I get where you are coming from, that is a good take. I think amongst developers/techies it was an issue though, I remember the convos around that.

Yeah look, we cared. I know I did, it’s why I switched at the time. Your average person didn’t though, but they still switched!

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by gnicholas »

Terretta wrote: post #527

On MacOS, consider Orion Browser by Kagi. Very fast. Zero telemetry. Lightweight, natively built with WebKit, made for you and your Mac. Industry-leading battery life, privacy respecting by design, and native support for web extensions. Orion offers native support for many Firefox and Chrome browser extensions allowing access to the world's largest eco-system of browser extensions. Even UBlock Origin. Not that you ne…

Also has tree style tab browsing built in! Though I’ve found it doesn’t work 100% with all Chrome extensions; seems like it might be an MV3 issue, as it’s popped up more recently.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by HenryBemis »

mjan22640 wrote: post #203
HenryBemis wrote: post #27

(semi-sarcastic post ensues:) Folks.. come on.. some of us have invested in Google stock (ok.. it's not much, but it is what it is). And for the Google stock to go up people have to use Android without a firewall, Chrome browser in all their devices, Gmail, and so on.. so they be tracked, their data to be harvested and sold x10000 so that the ad machine makes billions and the stock price goes up. I decided to STOP pe…

Do you expect Google stock to go even higher?

Won't it? These guys net billions every year. As long as there is online ads, Google will be raking it. Unless there is a technological game changer OR 95% of all users globally start caring for their privacy.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by sgift »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #649
blibble wrote: post #645

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> Hmm, the article is from February 2022, aka right when we had "peak economy" just before the wordlwide shit hit the fan and everything tanked again, so I'm curious how much of that wage grows was just due to the Covid money printing boom that drove up demand in ** all sectors** you answered your own question here > Except now they have even more competition from outside the EU, with the UK reaching migration record…

>there's a minimum salary requirement; previously this didn't apply to labour from the EU, now it does Excuse me but how is this the EU's fault and not the UK's own fault for not enforcing some sort of minimum wages before? Where I live now in Austria, there are legally require minimal salary bands negotiated yearly by unions for every profession, so no matter where you come from for work, an employer here is mandate…

> So, what stopped the UK from enforcing minimum salary bands on all workers instead of going through the extreme self flagelatory route of leaving the EU and loosing out on the EU membership benefits instead? You might say that would have been difficult and complex to implement, but so was Brexit and that came with pain on the side.

It's really easy. Germany has a minimum wage. Everyone has to get it. End of story. That's just a problem UK made for itself before and politicians who got pressured by their donors to keep the cheap labor as long as possible looked around and "uh ... its ... uh ... the EU is at fault!"

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by sgift »

michaelt wrote: post #611
jacquesm wrote: post #599

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Well, if that's what they believe they are comically misinformed. As it was the main reason that constitution would have been a good thing is that it would - hopefully - create a more level playing field. But the UK already had an exceptional position within the EU, and now it has none, with all of the downsides of being outside of their nearest neighbors and largest trade bloc. It's going to be a long road back to i…

> Well, if that's what they believe they are comically misinformed. Ah yes, you've just reminded me of one of the other issues: Some Remain campaigners had difficulty engaging with people who were on the fence about the EU without calling them ignorant yokels. > It's going to be a long road back to inclusivity and if and when that happens you can bet that it won't be the nice exceptional situation that was there befo…

> Ah yes, you've just reminded me of one of the other issues: Some Remain campaigners had difficulty engaging with people who were on the fence about the EU without calling them ignorant yokels.

In other words: The truth hurt. And out of spite they cut off their own nose. Well, whatever works for them.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by HenryBemis »

jraph wrote: post #79
HenryBemis wrote: post #27

(semi-sarcastic post ensues:) Folks.. come on.. some of us have invested in Google stock (ok.. it's not much, but it is what it is). And for the Google stock to go up people have to use Android without a firewall, Chrome browser in all their devices, Gmail, and so on.. so they be tracked, their data to be harvested and sold x10000 so that the ad machine makes billions and the stock price goes up. I decided to STOP pe…

Don't you aspire to do the right things, or at least to avoid doing the wrong things? I don't understand what drives you. You were pestering your friends to switch to Signal and Firefox for privacy reasons and then you bought GAFAM stock? Aren't you actively going against your ideals by doing this? Also, what a mix up! You managed to mention pedophiles in your comment?! Your reasoning is very hard to follow. You ment…

Not mutually exclusive. I can feel bad for my friends who insist on using WhatsApp, Gmail, Facebook. That's their choice to do. I am not friends with 7bn people. I am extrapolating and considering that majority of humans care more for convenience and much-much-less on Privacy. And since I cannot do anything about it, I am doing what I can do about it. Make sure my family has a better future.

People feel both good and bad when eating junk food. In this case, people consume Gmail, and I merely bet on the horse that will most likely win (GAFAM/FAANG).

I warn people of the risks of plastering their kids' photos all over the social media - thus potential exposure to pedos. That's also a privacy & safety issue.

https://fortune.com/2023/11/27/social-media-addiction-teens-...

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/former-facebook-exec-wont-let-o...

You've been in HN since 2017. You must have seen these/or similar discussions and links. Big bosses of social media don't let their kids consume their own services. Yet these companies make billions.

I don't drink coke, pepsi, etc. Many people do. It hurts them. You can't call me out for buying Coke or Pepsi stocks. I feel bad for them, but I feel good for me.

I don't push people to use Gmail, that would make me an accomplish. But hey, if they WANT to use Gmail, thank you, I will gladly take that dividend, while some insurance company 30 years from now will screw your kids over the premium for a life insurance, and YOU (the parent) caused it.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by sgift »

browningstreet wrote: post #573
Dah00n wrote: post #380

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>to get the EU digital markets update, which lets you uninstall Edge. Again — as a former anti-EU person — I am reminded why I am now pro-EU. While nowhere perfect it is much better than not having an EU and way, way better than the US.

The EU wants to use this trust relationship to break all encryption.

The EU doesn't want anything. The EU follows the wishes of the governments of the countries as one representation of the will of the people and the parliament as another representation. You want them to not break encryption? Maybe vote for better representatives next time.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by sgift »

medo-bear wrote: post #507
throw10920 wrote: post #504

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What does this have to do with the EU? This just sounds like decent regulation.

EU is pretty much all about regulation

Well yes, that's what governments do. They regulate things (it's usually called laws, which the regulations are not called, so it is clear they have to be translated into local law first), they make deals, they coordinate responses. What do you expect the EU to do?

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by sgift »

ParetoOptimal wrote: post #540
zare_st wrote: post #511

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Absolutely monster analogy. After working for a year in 3DSMax, back in the day, someone asked me to show them something in Lightwave. I couldn't find my way about anything. There is also a far far bigger difference between IDEs than between browsers even if compare only the big names. Compare Visual Studio, IntelliJ and Eclipse. All the browsers are same. They were all the same for 10 years. Single window or MDI. Th…

> Basically, if we accept the notion that it's hard for someone to switch from Chrome to Firefox we accept the notion that it's hard to move anyone from any ecosystem just on the grounds of them not wanting to touch their muscle memory even a bit. You get to the same option in three to four clicks through different menues. Is it that hard? As an emacs user in large part to avoid this, yes it us that hard. It pains me…

We are all creatures of habit. Even if something is not good in our current experience we often say "yeah, it's bad, but it's a bad I know. Who knows what will be bad in the other software?" - which shows the incredible high threshold this shitty decision by Google has reached for people to seriously consider going back to Firefox (seriously, as in "I've seen more posts about switching (back) to Firefox than in the last 2 or 3 years together")

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by iteratethis »

93po wrote: post #582
papichulo2023 wrote: post #110

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It doesnt help that Mozilla waste a lot of money on useless projects

It's weird how people criticize Mozilla for taking Google money, but also criticize them for their attempts to diversify away from that.

The think is criticism is not on the attempt, rather that they are bad at it.

In fairness though, it's actually very hard. Try inventing a new tech product that generates 200-400m in revenue, that others could not easily replicate.

Say you'd have 0.5B at your disposal and a few hundred people. You likely can't do it.

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