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Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022

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Post by graphe »

amatecha wrote: post #3

Ah, this is the perfect summary to explain to people when they ask "why are you still wearing a mask? COVID is over" or similar queries invalidating my caution around this virus. Worth noting is it was the 4th-leading cause of death in 2020 and 2021. Not sure why this is being downvoted into oblivion, as I regularly get some hassle from people about my strict adherence to wearing a mask indoors around people, and the…

The air on a plane circulates and causes illness to many people, like people who have had plastic surgery are advised not to travel too soon for fear of infection.

Have you found that it helps there?

Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022

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Post by transcriptase »

seattle_spring wrote: post #34
chownie wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're going to make these claims could you source them?

I have a bunch of citations below refuting his claim, but it's currently almost dead due to downvotes. Bummer some people would rather keep spreading falsehoods.

You posted a bunch of citations about the U.S.

Canadian hospitals and provinces explicitly made statements Late 2022/Early 2023 saying they were revising their definitions of a Covid death and going to recalculate previously published figures after stories blew up of the exact type of cases I mentioned. People were getting death certificates for loved ones with Covid listed as the cause of death when it was simply and provably not true, even if they did test positive.

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Post by thegrim33 »

bilsbie wrote: post #35

Does this include a “with vs from” distinction?

It's extremely well known that this is a common objection to such claims. You'd think that if the data truly was died FROM covid, they would bend over backwards to make that really clear, in order to shut up "deniers". The fact that they don't mention or clarify the issue in anyway is pretty telling. I tried looking through the related sources and found nothing useful to clarify.

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Post by mrb »

tptacek wrote: post #7
amatecha wrote: post #3

Ah, this is the perfect summary to explain to people when they ask "why are you still wearing a mask? COVID is over" or similar queries invalidating my caution around this virus. Worth noting is it was the 4th-leading cause of death in 2020 and 2021. Not sure why this is being downvoted into oblivion, as I regularly get some hassle from people about my strict adherence to wearing a mask indoors around people, and the…

People shouldn't bother you about wearing a mask, or bother storekeepers who request patrons mask, but a reason to push back on state-mandated masking isn't that COVID isn't serious (it clearly is), but rather that the empirical evidence for masking, especially vs. the new strains, is quite weak

There is a lot of empirical evidence supporting the effectiveness of masks against COVID-19, and I would not call it weak. In my own quest for actual research instead of single data points ("I never mask and have never gotten COVID"), I found that out of 27 peer-reviewed studies, 22 of them show masks are effective: https://github.com/mbevand/masking-effectiveness

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Post by wk_end »

seattle_spring wrote: post #59
wk_end wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just took a quick glance but these appear to be about the US, whereas this post is about Canada. Am I missing something?

Are you suggesting that Canada’s numbers are inflated, even though they match US numbers which are not inflated?

For a variety of reasons - higher uptake of vaccinations (~85% vs ~70%), universal health care coverage, stronger worker protections, better compliance with stronger public health rules and restrictions, lower obesity rates (~30% of adults vs ~40%) - one might suspect that they shouldn't match US numbers.

Broadly, I guess I just feel non-specifically like a bunch of articles about COVID in the US in 2020 aren't especially germane when discussing COVID in Canada in 2022, when so much about the situation is so radically different.

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Post by vlovich123 »

graeme wrote: post #51
tptacek wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People shouldn't bother you about wearing a mask, or bother storekeepers who request patrons mask, but a reason to push back on state-mandated masking isn't that COVID isn't serious (it clearly is), but rather that the empirical evidence for masking, especially vs. the new strains, is quite weak

>the empirical evidence for masking, especially vs. the new strains, is quite weak If you're wearing an N95 or KN95 the filtration efficacy is quite high. Most of the mask studies looked at whether mask policies lowered covid. If you wear a mask in class but then take it off in the cafeteria or outside of school, the mask no longer has an effect. If, however, you wear a mask with high filtration efficacy while outsid…

Yes they are effective, but don’t forget that they’re not perfect - your eyes and ears remain as access ports for the virus even when wearing a mask. Probably eyes is the biggest after respiratory because glasses have been shown to decrease infections if I recall correctly.

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Post by Sakos »

vlovich123 wrote: post #66
graeme wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the empirical evidence for masking, especially vs. the new strains, is quite weak If you're wearing an N95 or KN95 the filtration efficacy is quite high. Most of the mask studies looked at whether mask policies lowered covid. If you wear a mask in class but then take it off in the cafeteria or outside of school, the mask no longer has an effect. If, however, you wear a mask with high filtration efficacy while outsid…

Yes they are effective, but don’t forget that they’re not perfect - your eyes and ears remain as access ports for the virus even when wearing a mask. Probably eyes is the biggest after respiratory because glasses have been shown to decrease infections if I recall correctly.

It doesn't need to be perfect in order to be effective. What's your point?

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Post by graphe »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #50
Scoundreller wrote: post #29

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> the newer variants are less lethal. Is this true, or does just about everyone have at least some residual immunity from infection/vaccination?

I never tested positive for COVID in the entire 3.5 years of this crap ... until last month. I have had 4 rounds of the vaccine and didn't ever get it in prior winters even when it was in my house (daughter had it before) -- but didn't get my booster in time this fall to do anything about the rather insane wave making its way through the population right now (thanks Doug Ford, you incompetent buffoon). And so I got i…

I wasn't vaccinated (waiting on novax) and the first time I got omicron and it was awful. But I was recovered in a week. By the time novavax was released I had natural immunity. Got it next year too and it was gone in 2 days, I only knew I had it since I lost my smell.

People that got infected once got it really bad the first time and subsequently recovered quickly. Hope that's the case with you too.

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Post by jeffbee »

tptacek wrote: post #58
graeme wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the empirical evidence for masking, especially vs. the new strains, is quite weak If you're wearing an N95 or KN95 the filtration efficacy is quite high. Most of the mask studies looked at whether mask policies lowered covid. If you wear a mask in class but then take it off in the cafeteria or outside of school, the mask no longer has an effect. If, however, you wear a mask with high filtration efficacy while outsid…

N95 vs. KN95 seems like an instructive example: people equate the two based on the effectiveness of the filtering media, but the salient difference is in the attachment mechanism --- most KN95s are ear-loops, and don't achieve especially tight coverings (similarly: the reuse concerns about N95s are less that the filter media can't be "recharged" or whatever, but rather that the elastic gives out). At any rate: masks…

I don't know what's "performative" about it. The respirator has a clear mechanism of action. They filter out almost all airborne viruses and are even better at filtering bacteria (which are larger). They also have the side benefit of making the wearer not want to eat airline "food" which I've noticed leaves me feeling better when I arrive. They are designed to be worn effectively even by illiterate manual laborers, so it's not as if you need to be a PhD to get one on your face.
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