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Post by awfulneutral »

whelp_24 wrote: post #269
awfulneutral wrote: post #264

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To me it seems like a fundamental motivation - we do art because we want to impress those around us, gain respect, help to attract a mate, make money... Those reasons don't exist without other people to show our art to, and are much less effective if art is too easy to make and too common. I'm sure there are people who don't have ambition to ever show others the skills they've been building, even in indirect ways, bu…

To make oneself happy, to look at something and say i did this. To pass time and gain skills. Even if you want to show it to people you care about, it's not about the rarity it's about sharing. I may have doubts of the existence of pure altruism but gaining the respect of others is a very A_type personality selfish type view. I don't think everyone is really that concerned with others.

I don't mean "gaining respect" like that's some explicit goal, but I do feel like people are pretty concerned with others, and most of us do really care about the opinions of others. It might be selfish on some level but it's a big part of being human. I can't speak to everyone's relationship with creating, I imagine if your social needs are being met already then you might just use art to pass the time and not care much about it. But usually the outcome we want when sharing our work is to feel appreciated, noticed or special in some way that scales with the amount of effort, time and skill we put in.

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Post by Affric »

hutzlibu wrote: post #239
Affric wrote: post #232

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I think to a large extent this is correct but, being the devils advocate, perhaps if the GIS tool were better then your friend wouldn’t have had quite as big a gain in free time? Answering my own question somewhat, I think that LLMs are becoming a kind UI layer over many applications/tools for many users. Which is interesting. And in some ways they show signs of fulfilling the promise of AI.

I think even with the best GUI (and I seldom have seen worse GUIs than with GIS tools), scripting is way more powerful, if you have advanced tasks.

Definitely more powerful but well crafted GUIs can enforce constraints on inputs and preview what changes would look like.

Agree that I have never seen a GIS tool where I thought the GUI was top notch.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by Topgamer7 »

hafriedlander wrote: post #8

Somewhat tangential, but the Krita community and core team have been pretty explicitly anti-AI. https://krita-artists.org/t/change-in-policy-for-topics-rela... (I am part of a group that builds UI on top of open models, but we stopped working on our Krita version for that reason.)

Sounds like burying your head in the ground and pretending it's not happening.

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Post by vonjuice »

lancesells wrote: post #104
vonjuice wrote: post #69

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We have art galleries displaying things like empty canvases or toilet bowls that make a statement, it's definitely not about difficulty. The fact is that the debate about what art is is part of what makes art art, it escapes definition because part of the spirit of art is rebelling against definition.

> art galleries displaying things like empty canvases or toilet bowls This is so far from the norm and feels like a television lens version of artists and art galleries. Yes, Duchamp used a toilet bowl in 1917 as art which was over 100 year ago. This is known because no one had done it before and presented an everyday object as art. This is 106 years old but still referred to so you can guess it was a big deal. My su…

I have visited modern art museums. I have seen similar "low effort" pieces among a wide catalogue of high effort ones. It is evident that real artists are very prolific and are not lazy or anything like that, that was not implying that, I don't even think of it as bullshit.

My example was more about how the appearance of effort is not necessary for the viewer. Many people can look at abstract paintings and say "this is bullshit, my kid could do that!", and yet many people can also look at it and recognize beauty, and it's not because the latter group sees the piece as more effort, they're just able to parse the language of the piece better (imo).

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Post by LorenzoGood »

southerntofu wrote: post #109
hutzlibu wrote: post #95

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"As far as I know there's a sizeable number of devs who don't intend to ever rely on copilot" Is that really a thing? I mean, I also don't want to rely on Microsoft and therefore also not on Copilot, but not using AI tools in general out of principle is probably a very rare minority. I simply would prefer my own local LLM. But in the thread linked above I read "AI never had and never will have it’s place in art." And…

> "As far as I know there's a sizeable number of devs who don't intend to ever rely on copilot" I'm one of those. I've been programming for a while now and there's no way i'm gonna trust a neural network with my code. Debugging is painful enough without having to deal with subtle bugs hallucinated by ML. Some machines are really useful to reduce human suffering and augment our collective capabilities. Some machines a…

I dont use them out of principle, but because I am still learning, so it just takes away from that.

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Post by DonHopkins »

radlad wrote: post #216
bheadmaster wrote: post #124

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> Is that really a thing? Yes. I'm a Vim user with 100 WPM typing speed, and I can say with confidence that Copilot isn't that useful to me. Typing boilerplate is not an issue - understanding what I wrote is most of the work. And having an AI spew code that I have to read is more work for me than just writing it myself.

Just as a data point counter to yours, I'm a Vim user with a 150+ wpm typing speed, and I have to say I find Copilot massively useful. In Go, it's great for dealing with a lot of the repetitive code one finds themselves writing. When writing Android apps, it's useful for API discovery!

What a tragic waste of fast typing speed. If only you were using Emacs, your typing speed would be multiplied by Emacs's superior capabilities, with multiple shell windows and keyboard macros and many other powerful packages thanks to its deep and flexible extensibility, and you would be so much more productive and powerful! Typing speed isn't everything. ;)

Disclaimer: My cat is named Emacs, so if you say anything bad about Emacs, I will take it personally, because he is such a fine cat, named after such a fine text editor.

PS: https://github.com/zerolfx/copilot.el

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Post by pxoe »

thot_experiment wrote: post #226
pxoe wrote: post #224

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it's not the "unaware" part, it's the 'endless possibilities' (snake oil) part. ai ppl looooove to draw clouds and expect everyone to buy into that shit, yet it's not that hot. it'll always be just an app, unfortunately. it's reductive but that's just its limitation and confines.

This sort factually incorrect dogmatic screed from a position of complete ignorance, this is why I find the discourse so frustrating and why I dismissively call it a meme. Look into ControlNets, look into Deforum, look into programmatic loopback, LoRa training, model alchemy; and that's just some of what's available TODAY in a field that's moving faster than most anything else. You're someone looking at Amiga DPaint…

does that change that "it's an app", "it's a thing", "it's a program", "it's an intermediary"? no.

technobabble just doesn't change some fundamentals.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

thatcat wrote: post #89
AlecSchueler wrote: post #81

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> We have art galleries displaying things like empty canvases or toilet bowls that make a statement, it's definitely not about difficulty You're under selling the difficulty of using a toilet bowl to make a convincing statement.

It's a water fountain

That one was done over a hundred years ago, sadly. The public wasn't original and topical statements for every new opening.

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Post by zerd »

instagraham wrote: post #44
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly6USRwTHe0 the video is mindblowing because on one hand, adobe photoshop announced this as "their own next big thing" and here we have an open source software replicating this same thing, so cool. edit: this also means photoshop doesnt have the "moat" they seem to have built around the generative ai thing and their software.

Krita support for generative inpainting has been around since the beginning of the Stable Diffusion craze. It was one of the first AI projects I saved. It definitely predates Photoshop adding it. Off the top of my head, this plugin is from Nov 6, 2022, and I know there were others before this (or maybe it was just this shared in earlier form). https://github.com/sddebz/stable-diffusion-krita-plugin Stable Diffusion h…

> Weird how OpenAI got all the credit when it was Stable Diffusion that first opened the gates.

Stable Diffusion came out much later than DALL-E by OpenAI, so I'd say they deserve some credit.

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