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Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by TylerE »

andai wrote: post #152
wentin wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why not set a bounty to improve Prettier instead of building a competing project just to increase the motivation to improve Prettier? There are three reasons, I think: 1. Writing a rust compiler is separate from prettier project because of its nature. Prettier is not written in Rust, and Rust has proven to be a robust option to write a formatter, so the goal really is to write a formatter in Rust itself, and it can…

>Great programmer who has the skill to answer this bounty get paid at least $200 an hour (extremely conservative estimate) Dang! What do you base this estimate on? The Rust aspect, or parsing aspect, or intersection of both?

Keep in mind as a freelancer you have to make about for $2.50 for every $1 a salaried person makes, as you're on the hook for 100% of taxes, health care, business expenses, etc.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by syrusakbary »

n42 wrote: post #157
cedws wrote: post #96

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This is the first time I've come across WASIX. Upon reading about it, I can't help but see it as a reincarnation of the JVM. Is that accurate? What advantage is there to executing code in WASIX if it can access the system and isn't actually in a sandbox?

The advantage is this guy’s VC backed company gets to sink its teeth into the early stages of WASM platform adoption, helping him line his and his company’s pockets. WASIX is a hostile fork of an open standard that does care about sandboxing.

I'm incredibly curious to hear more on how you think WASIX helps on the company pockets (since is open-source, and even it's governance model is open).

I'd love to hear your thoughts, maybe we are missing on some nice business opportunities here!

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by twodave »

wentin wrote: post #140
dewey wrote: post #8

> One question you are probably wondering is why would the Prettier team fund another project!? In practice, Prettier has been the dominant code formatter for JavaScript and as a result of a lack of competition, there has been little incentive to push on performance and fix various edge cases. I was indeed wondering that but the answer doesn't really answer the question for me. Why not set a bounty to improve Prettie…

> Why not set a bounty to improve Prettier instead of building a competing project just to increase the motivation to improve Prettier? There are three reasons, I think: 1. Writing a rust compiler is separate from prettier project because of its nature. Prettier is not written in Rust, and Rust has proven to be a robust option to write a formatter, so the goal really is to write a formatter in Rust itself, and it can…

I came here to say that $200/hour is only "extremely conservative" in very few and small geographic parts of the world. Where I'm from (in a large city in the US) this number would be described as extravagant. I've charged $200 or more on only one occasion myself, and it was a very short-term arrangement.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by n42 »

syrusakbary wrote: post #172
n42 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The advantage is this guy’s VC backed company gets to sink its teeth into the early stages of WASM platform adoption, helping him line his and his company’s pockets. WASIX is a hostile fork of an open standard that does care about sandboxing.

I'm incredibly curious to hear more on how you think WASIX helps on the company pockets (since is open-source, and even it's governance model is open). I'd love to hear your thoughts, maybe we are missing on some nice business opportunities here!

It's fine to be forthcoming about the financial interests of your projects – this is Hacker News, after all. We live on VC. The tone of your previous comment suggests there is none.

I find it hard to believe that anything you would spend your company's time on would not push the mission of the company forward. This creates a financial incentive.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by The_Colonel »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #126
shrimpx wrote: post #98

> You may not be aware but thanks to all those donations, we've been able to pay two people $1.5k/month for the past two years to keep shipping. Fisker Cheung and Sosuke Suzuki have done an incredible job! It's incredible how little money some people get paid to build foundational pieces in a multi-trillion dollar industry.

Like the others said, Prettier isn't foundational. That said, it brings in _much_ more value than $1.5k/mo. It has eliminated styling arguments on teams that adopt it. The amount of time saved in PRs/reduction of bikeshedding is very valuable.

Meh, most devs I've met can format code better than Prettier. Having a consistent set of rules sounds alluring at first, but the issue is that mechanical application is, well, mechanical and therefore dumb.

My personal impression is that the code style bike shedding is a sign of team immaturity. In the more mature teams (composed of more mature persons), I haven't really seen formatting bike shedding.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by EricMausler »

TylerE wrote: post #171
andai wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Great programmer who has the skill to answer this bounty get paid at least $200 an hour (extremely conservative estimate) Dang! What do you base this estimate on? The Rust aspect, or parsing aspect, or intersection of both?

Keep in mind as a freelancer you have to make about for $2.50 for every $1 a salaried person makes, as you're on the hook for 100% of taxes, health care, business expenses, etc.

Is the 2.50:1 just a broad estimate or based on something?

When I was doing pricing for service contracts it was usually around 1.50:1 burdened billing rate vs direct labor (income)

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by 0x0000000 »

cdmckay wrote: post #169
austin-cheney wrote: post #164

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That is still far too much an exaggeration. This is an opinionated beautifier. Its a vanity item with some downstream utility benefits.

A formatter is pretty essential when working in a team. It saves tons of time wasted on code formatting in code reviews.

> A formatter is pretty essential when working in a team.

I worked on a team without a formatter for more than 5 years. I'm certain many people have done the same. "Essential" is overselling.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by matheusmoreira »

blowski wrote: post #125
icambron wrote: post #91

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I can't speak for the Prettier folks, but as an OSS maintainer, I'm more interested in the problem being solved than everyone using my particular solution . I actually don't benefit at all from you using my code; I did all the work to make the world a place where $PROBLEM has an accessible solution. So if I were passionate about, say, JS code formatting, I would be pretty happy if someone came along and solved that p…

I'd guess a significant proportion of OSS maintainers _are_ in it for some combination of ego-trip, or a misguided belief that it will make them rich. Both outcomes may seem less likely if you're just fixing somebody else's software for free.

Is it really so misguided these days? I see plenty of developers making decent amounts of money via GitHub sponsors, patreon and others. Could be pretty nice if a project gains momentum. And it's ethical: no ads, no proprietary software, nothing.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by hectormalot »

andai wrote: post #152
wentin wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why not set a bounty to improve Prettier instead of building a competing project just to increase the motivation to improve Prettier? There are three reasons, I think: 1. Writing a rust compiler is separate from prettier project because of its nature. Prettier is not written in Rust, and Rust has proven to be a robust option to write a formatter, so the goal really is to write a formatter in Rust itself, and it can…

>Great programmer who has the skill to answer this bounty get paid at least $200 an hour (extremely conservative estimate) Dang! What do you base this estimate on? The Rust aspect, or parsing aspect, or intersection of both?

Depends on the geography and/or whether the knowledge is highly specific.

As a datapoint, the average Dutch contracting rates I see for IT development (think: Java, Swift, Kotlin) range somewhere from €75 - €150/h. Higher is possible, but then you're talking very specific expertise and typically shorter projects.

I'm on the hiring side, this is a figure across some 20 external devs. I think it's representative of the middle of the market.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by The_Colonel »

j1elo wrote: post #63
thenbe wrote: post #33

While it's always great to see performance gains, my largest pain point with prettier was never performance. Instead my only gripe with prettier is the "line wrapping noise" it creates, illustrated here by Anthony Fu: https://antfu.me/posts/why-not-prettier#the-line-wrapping-no... Would it be realistic to expect a solution for this issue now that "prettier needs to step up it's game"?

I'd rather have a strict line length limit, than having my coworker creating objects in lines 150 or 180 chars long. So we'd end up discussing what is the best choice. I bet I'd also end up discussing those things with Anthony Fu. If the limit is 80, then the limit is 80 , not 81. Come Prettier. No more discussions. I definitely buy the tiny amount of "noise" it brings, in exchange for freeing me from an immense amou…

> If the limit is 80, then the limit is 80, not 81.

I don't see a reason to enforce this strictly. The goal is readability, the max line length is an approximate proxy for that.

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