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Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. It amused me and made the post more entertaining for me to read, thus holding my attention better. Yes, I probably do have the sense of humor of a 12-year-old, but that's immaterial.
I don't agree with you. We should be establishing a polite ettiquette
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I don't agree with you. We should be establishing a polite ettiquette
You don't agree that different people have different sensibilities regarding language? Or is that you don't agree the author should be allowed to swear in his blog? Or perhaps you don't agree that blue material is fitting for HN?
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You don't agree that different people have different sensibilities regarding language? Or is that you don't agree the author should be allowed to swear in his blog? Or perhaps you don't agree that blue material is fitting for HN?
Or perhaps some things are distractions, and the audience deserves to read about the issues without distractions being deliberately inserted into the conversation?
For certain, the blog in question would be better received by some if it were written differently, but I don't know what that has to do with the conversation here. (The counterpoint is likely true as well.)
I'm trying to determine what about "Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks" the parent could choose to disagree with.
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I don't agree with you. We should be establishing a polite ettiquette
And why would anyone follow it? You need some kind of punishing system for it to be effective, and I'm opposed to that.
Been reading hacker news for a while but haven't posted till now. Extending the functionality of Email or What could you accomplish if emails were machine readable? Email is currently not easily parsable by machines and therefore creates a unique challenge (and business opportunity) to companies that are in need of automating tasks based upon incoming emails. What is needed is functionality that allows for emails to…
To 99.99% of people who use email, Paul is correct: "Email is not a messaging protocol. It's a todo list. Or rather, my inbox is a todo list, and email is the way things get onto it." When people say "email", they almost always mean their email client.
Failure to account for the common usage of the word and demand that people use the word email only to mean the protocol is short sighted, results only in the angst found in this article, and solves nothing. Life is too short to be so angst-filled over the use of one word.
Couldn't upvote this more. I am fed up with posts telling me email is broken and a new disruptive tech will be the cure. Email is an open protocol, decentralized, providing optional security. Shortcomings—or rather call them additional requirements—can be solved with tools keeping email focussed on async text-based communication. Want to send large files? Dropbox. Want more automation? Improve the client side and/or…
Email is a good asynchronous messaging protocol, it's not a great one though. I'd say authentication would be a requirement for such a protocol to be great. I think the next logical step of content protection (encryption) is free if you have authentication and most would want it too. You also don't know if a message has been received, ignored, or blocked by a spam filter.
It's good, it does manage to work and deliver billions of messages a day. And it works pretty well. It's infuriating when it doesn't though.
"Email is a distributed, asynchronous messaging protocol." What a complete disconnect from the users of email. To 99.99% of people who use email, Paul is correct: "Email is not a messaging protocol. It's a todo list. Or rather, my inbox is a todo list, and email is the way things get onto it." When people say "email", they almost always mean their email client. Failure to account for the common usage of the word and…
I don't agree with this, in fact I feel this projecting the email power user's use of email onto everyone. At the end of the day, I think most people just want to email each other a message or a small file or pics of their kids or the latest dumb chain email. I do use my email as a todo list personally I write those elswhere, I do send myself links through email but I've configure Gmail to recognize that and put them in my bookmark label.
I also agree with the post, email does what it's meant to do well and you can build clients to do all the features you are asking for.
Couldn't upvote this more. I am fed up with posts telling me email is broken and a new disruptive tech will be the cure. Email is an open protocol, decentralized, providing optional security. Shortcomings—or rather call them additional requirements—can be solved with tools keeping email focussed on async text-based communication. Want to send large files? Dropbox. Want more automation? Improve the client side and/or…
Anyone who claims "email is a bad TODO list" is an email problem is missing the forest for the trees. This isn't an email problem. It's a problem inherit in any communication medium.
If you sit in an IRC channel that can become a TODO list too. For snail mail, the coffee table you throw everything onto is a TODO list. For people who receive a lot of phone calls, their voicemail is a TODO list.
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The common problem you describe is still not about email. The real cause lies in people with deficits in time management, organisational skills and leadership. If you have too many projects/threads going on with too many people time to change: do fewer projects, focus, delegate, give people goals rather than nitty-gritty todos, basically stop micro-managing, find talented peers and trust them.
There are mechanisms through which some limitations of email can be worked around, but there are still problems with email. Technologies lend themselves to particular use and misuse, and when we see a repeating patterns of abuse, it's reasonable to focus on the technology and talk about what we can do differently. The original post is talking about email as a series of protocols and ignoring the culture of email as w…
The asynchronous messaging that email provides is it's killer feature that would need to exist for any of the features (todo,task management,calendering...) that you mention would need to work well. But the underlying mechanism of email is still working fine and I don't think that should change.
I agree with the article, the client is where this should go with maybe some thing similar to the W3C and Browser vendors (This isn't perfect but it works) agreeing to protocols.