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Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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There's a saying (which could be specific to my country) about men approaching women. If you're handsome it's called flirting, if you're ugly it's sexual harassment. Joking aside, I do notice that successful men (again, maybe specific to my country) tend to be attractive and they usually have an attractive and smart partner. Successful but not attractive men can still have either attractive or smart partner (or both,…

This has gotta be one of my favorite parts of HN, it's an odd glimpse into how men view the world.

You've got it backwards. In both cases what makes it harassment is continuing to push when it's unwanted. Why you seem to see a difference in results based on attractiveness is because your average guy can't take a hint no matter how attractive they are. So "success" becomes literally stochastic because guys never back off (and bonus take being unresponsive, ignoring them, or outright telling them no as "playing hard to get") so it only works when coincidentally the feeling of attraction is mutual which is sorta related to conventional physical attractiveness but not as 1-1 as it's made out here. 95% of the time I don't want even the hot guy approaching me and even 1/20 feels high.

I kinda wish it worked like Brazilian steakhouse rules where I could wear something that signaled, "open to being hit on by strangers."

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

#52

Interesting that the effect was stronger in males. It looks like the outcomes tracked were education, income, and occupation. I wonder if this is tracking the wrong things; e.g. women can marry into a higher wealth+prestige class without themselves needing to attain education, income, or a job.

My guess would be that men aren't selective as women. Therefore, for the handful of men that most women find generally attractive the effect is a lot easier to measure.

Yes men can have unrealistic standards at times but if you ever go to your local strip club and see the low attractiveness of your average striper you will notice men can be a lot more "accepting".

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

#53
I can't believe anyone would do a study about this for two reasons.

First, well, duh. Don't need a study to tell you this.

Second, was this done for someone to explain why they're not successful? A lot of people want to justify a lack of effort because the chips are stacked against them. All any of us are supposed to do though is be the best version of ourselves we can be.

There will always be someone smarter, taller, better looking. Who cares? Do your best.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

#54
How attractive someone is or becomes is not an immutable attribute. If you have a little bit of success or luck in your early life and have a decent diet, access to healthcare, decent clothes and grooming that can make an insane difference in how attractive you are at say 30. You see the opposite in people that get mixed up with hard drugs or alcohol at a young age.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

#55
This relates to a criticism I have for woke and SJW people: Do they follow the same tendency?

Most SJW people I know tend to be critical of the idea of a beauty standard at all, which is an interesting initiative if they can actually pull it off. And I do agree that it would be nice to stop being biased towards conventionally attractive people.

Then, with that logic, we should be seeing "woke couples" who don't follow that tendency: "Conventionally attractive" people with "conventionally ugly" partners, not with the idea of having a trophy or "liking ugly people", but with the same power dynamics as a couple where both parts are equally attractive. Since both are woke, in their own eyes the idea of being ugly or pretty either shouldn't exist, or be based around some very different personal attributes (like empathy or intelligence, perhaps).

Sadly, I almost never see it happen.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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However, they can come far by not blaming the other sex for their own self-deprecation, self-pity and insecurities.

if you would believe in this statement or if you could stand by your victim blaming I suspect you would not be making this comment from a throwaway account. Beside we know that the pressure that males can put on the looks of women is unfair, why should we give a pass to the same when it affects men ?

I can understand your cynicism considering the topic and that this was my first comment. I've browsed here for years, and felt compelled to comment multiple times. Expect to see all my future comments from this account as well.

Femcels are just as ridiculous as incels. If you continue to live your life thinking you are the victim and never improving yourself you will never be happy. The toxic part of this attitude is that you start to apply the same hate to those who may actually treat you like the wonderful person you are. Ignoring this makes you less wonderful to other people.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

#57

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I got SO many downvotes on Reddit for suggesting that.

Are there real people on Reddit on anymore? I’m not sure how the hell they’re going to IPO. The app is horrible and the users are too.

> The app is horrible and the users are too.

Good thing none of this matters as long as the number goes up!

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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However, they can come far by not blaming the other sex for their own self-deprecation, self-pity and insecurities.

You just engaged in toxic masculinity, demanding that or disparaging men must be secure and confident is toxic masculinity.

It is true that men can fix their problems by becoming secure and confident, but feminists tend to say that men shouldn't have to be secure and confident. So then when women shun insecure self deprecating men, isn't that a problem?

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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There's a saying (which could be specific to my country) about men approaching women. If you're handsome it's called flirting, if you're ugly it's sexual harassment. Joking aside, I do notice that successful men (again, maybe specific to my country) tend to be attractive and they usually have an attractive and smart partner. Successful but not attractive men can still have either attractive or smart partner (or both,…

>There's a saying (which could be specific to my country) about men approaching women. If you're handsome it's called flirting, if you're ugly it's sexual harassment. There's a famous comic meme about your distinction that's regularly reposted on the internet: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/663/485/1f8... But many women have commented that they find the "attractive" guy's compliments also unwanted.

To be completely frank, this applies to both sexes. As a man it feels nice to be complimented by attractive women but when I face the same attention from women I don't consider attractive and just prefer to have normal work relations with, I feel very awkward. I don't want to sound rude and hurt them, but sometimes when you don't react they take it as an approval to go further. But most of the time just dry "thank you" and moving on to the next topic solves it.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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Have you noticed that obese, unattractive women are often quite hostile and angry? These women are mistreated at a far higher rate than others, and become jaded and angry and expect each encounter to be a fight.

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I think I would far rather be any type of minority (black, native american, arab, Muslim, female) then to be ugly or fat even if I was a white male. I think there is a far stronger bias against fat people or unattractive people than there is against other groups.

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