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Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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How did that work with Donnie and Ivana :/ ?

I think you're engaging in a bit of humor, here, but Trump was born at the top of the socioeconomic ladder. There's nowhere for him to go but down . I don't think this study applies to people like him.

Was he actually ever considered attractive when he got "on the scene", so to speak?

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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There's a saying (which could be specific to my country) about men approaching women. If you're handsome it's called flirting, if you're ugly it's sexual harassment. Joking aside, I do notice that successful men (again, maybe specific to my country) tend to be attractive and they usually have an attractive and smart partner. Successful but not attractive men can still have either attractive or smart partner (or both,…

I got SO many downvotes on Reddit for suggesting that.

Are there real people on Reddit on anymore? I’m not sure how the hell they’re going to IPO. The app is horrible and the users are too.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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I would be cautious about confirmation bias here. Why is a random paper published in a low tier journal getting any attention? Is it especially well written? Is the data especially novel? No. This is an old data set, and a quick Google reveals multiple papers that use the attractiveness data from the AddHealth study with titles like "Gender and the returns to attractiveness" and "Physical attractiveness and the accumulation of social and human capital in adolescence and young adulthood: assets and distractions."

I'm not qualified enough to say whether this paper or good or bad, but I do think that this is a prime example of "clickbait social science" where papers that confirm people's existing prejudices, regardless of quality, suddenly get a lot of attention. The conclusions may or may not be correct, but I don't think this one paper is really slam dunk in either direction.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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My intuition is that reserve causality is playing a huge role in these numbers which is acknowledged by the authors:

"Why physical attractiveness should matter for intergenerational social mobility is an underexplored research question. Theoretical links between the two are complex, and the possibility of reverse causation cannot be ruled out. Prosperous economic conditions likely allow individuals to improve and maintain their physical attractiveness by investing in relevant services (e.g., quality hairdresser, gym membership, and plastic surgery) and goods (e.g., fashionable clothes and effective cosmetics)."

Cannot be ruled out strikes me as an understatement. I'm not sure what the exact design of the interview was, but even factors like how well-spoken someone is could have a strong influence on perceived physical attractiveness despite being heavily confounded by factors like education and socioeconomic status, which I think challenges the notion of physical attractiveness, as least as it was assessed here, being a truly independent predictor. I also don't think that this study serves as incontrovertible proof in support of the defeatist winging about how purely genetic factors affecting appearance have completely and unfairly hamstrung ugly people. A study that supported that notion wouldn't use an interview, it would just use a picture of people's faces from a standardized lighting and angle which would then be rated and correlated with these other variables.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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At a first glance, attractiveness measurements seem unreliable. > We study the effect of individuals’ attractiveness on intergenerational social mobility by using Add Health's interviewer-rated physical attractiveness. Information about physical attractiveness was collected during Wave I of the survey when all interviewers were asked to assess the physical attractiveness of respondents with answer options of (1) very…

Yeah I noticed that, too. What was the makeup of the Add Health interviewers? Might that heavily bias how people are rated in terms of attractiveness?

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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There's a saying (which could be specific to my country) about men approaching women. If you're handsome it's called flirting, if you're ugly it's sexual harassment. Joking aside, I do notice that successful men (again, maybe specific to my country) tend to be attractive and they usually have an attractive and smart partner. Successful but not attractive men can still have either attractive or smart partner (or both,…

>There's a saying (which could be specific to my country) about men approaching women. If you're handsome it's called flirting, if you're ugly it's sexual harassment. There's a famous comic meme about your distinction that's regularly reposted on the internet: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/663/485/1f8... But many women have commented that they find the "attractive" guy's compliments also unwanted.

There are also other factors. Attractiveness not only depends on physiognomy but also skincare, hygiene, dress and even medical interventions (e.g. orthodontics) which are often tied to wealth and especially childhood wealth. Childhood eating disorders and childhood obesity/malnutrition for example are hard to overcome as an adult and more common in poorer families. So attractiveness already is in part an indicator of wealth (at least on aggregate if not for every individual).

It's well-known and widely established that coming from wealth makes it easier to get with "gentlemen crimes" (e.g. being caught drinking underage or using illegal drugs is more likely to result in confiscation and a stern warning or "slap on the wrist" if the police officer knows you're from a wealthy family, other biases aside) as well as sexual assault.

So the difference between the two can simply be that the "handsome" guy in a suit is just more likely to "get away with it" because it's riskier to confront or report him compared to the "ugly" guy who is likely on a lower rung of the social hierarchy.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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Being someone who was both conventionally unattractive and conventionally attractive (I had a digestive disorder for years that made me terrifyingly skinny and sickly looking), I can say that the difference is astronomical. Once I figured out what was wrong with me, fixed my diet and got in shape, the way people treated me in general shifted dramatically towards positive. Rather than starting from a unreceptive low w…

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