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Phrack Issue #68

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Re: Phrack Issue #68

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Post by sgt »

peterwwillis wrote: post #30

The 'Lines In The Sand' piece reads like someone who is enamored with being a 'bad boy' and that breaking the law is just really cool and if you want to be a cool black hat hacker you should basically try to cause as much mayhem as possible, fuck anyone else (but also be in complete solidarity with the black hat brethren who should totally go to jail for you without question). Apparently you can't even hack for a liv…

Maybe you should write a better piece for Phrack 69? To teach these outlaw dweebs some values!

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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Post by Mizza »

PHUCK YEAH.

You wanna talk about news for hackers, and not this Bay Area, VC-manipulated, water-downed, same-ol' bullshit? Phrack is real talk. If you want to travel outside of California and actually call yourself a hacker, you're gonna need to read this and as much of the archive as you can. Phrack 0wnz.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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Post by jcr »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #17
zobzu wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised how the younger generation does not seems to know all these things. It's not like if they weren't well-known. Sometimes I hear "what's 2600?" " why is it called 2600?" from "security professionals". Woot.

I doubt it is related to being the younger generation. I think it is more to do with Hacker News not having many "hackers" ;)

You might be right that there aren't many "hackers" on HN, but a lot of it has to do with how you define the term.

As for not knowing eclectic but important bits of history like "2600" or even who "Lawnchair Larry" was, experience takes time, and knowledge takes effort. A good example is that most people don't know all of the available terminal commands available on a UNIX(-ish including MacOS/iOS/Android) system, let alone know the reasoning or history behind all those "funny" command names.

BTW, I always get a giggle out of your HN user name even though the poor disturbed fellow who tied umteen helium balloons to a lawnchair and shutdown airspace of Los Angeles for a few hours eventually committed suicide after receiving his "Honorable Mention" on the Darwin Awards.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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Post by richardk »

peterwwillis wrote: post #30

The 'Lines In The Sand' piece reads like someone who is enamored with being a 'bad boy' and that breaking the law is just really cool and if you want to be a cool black hat hacker you should basically try to cause as much mayhem as possible, fuck anyone else (but also be in complete solidarity with the black hat brethren who should totally go to jail for you without question). Apparently you can't even hack for a liv…

As a student taking a CS degree for fun, I think the 'Happy Hacking' article is fairly insightful. Not of the best quality, perhaps, but insightful none the less.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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Post by zobzu »

TheCowboy wrote: post #18
jmspring wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those who forget history are not likely to learn from it... In all seriousness, in this day and age of social media, FB, etc. the old school tech mags just aren't well known. I'm really not surprised that even younger security interested people don't know them. 2600, Phrack, and the like just don't end up on people's radars... I'm not sure why that is.

I think the landscape has changed a lot since then. Back then computer security had more of an underground feel it, where free and open discussion about it was viewed as being discouraged by 'the authorities'. The 'underground' pretty much existed for this reason. Now the information out there is so widely available. Given enough time and effort, you can become pretty well-versed based on what's available. Still, eve…

I think we shouldn't sleep on our laurels.

Free exchange of information, security wise, is certainly already a thing of the past. That's not good.

Freedom of information (as I prefer to call it), in general, is more than ever at risk. In France, they're outlawing surfing on websites that can be called "terrorist".

That include documenting yourself on "bad" countries' culture (bad as in your govt does not like them), or of course, reading phrack's art of exploitation.

In Germany using tools such as nmap is outlawed if you're not a security professional.

Not need to get started on China or even the USA.

Then, take a look at Full disclosure's current activity. It's not dying because it's "an old ml". It's dying because people do not want to exchange free information. Who would, when you can sell it hundred thousand of dollars? (and the answer to that should be somewhere in your soul, right next to Phrack's World News)

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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Post by zobzu »

leif wrote: post #28
zobzu wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised how the younger generation does not seems to know all these things. It's not like if they weren't well-known. Sometimes I hear "what's 2600?" " why is it called 2600?" from "security professionals". Woot.

Thankfully, my security professor clued us in. I graduated undergrad last year, and I wrote my first exploit (for that class) based on the phrack article on format string exploits.

I think the most well-known article is Smashing the stack for fun and profit by Aleph1

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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Post by zobzu »

sanswork wrote: post #20
sanswork wrote: post #19

I just found my hard copy of issue 57 that they printed out for hal2001 while sorting out old books. :) that was a great con.

Here's a pic of the cover http://sitethree.com/phrack.jpg sorry for the twitter image link but easiest way with my iPad. (Updated link)

Jealous.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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Post by leif »

zobzu wrote: post #36
leif wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thankfully, my security professor clued us in. I graduated undergrad last year, and I wrote my first exploit (for that class) based on the phrack article on format string exploits.

I think the most well-known article is Smashing the stack for fun and profit by Aleph1

What I read was scut's article. My exploits were format strings, not overflows. Now that I search for it, it may not have been in phrack after all, though I'm sure I had to read some phrack articles, so it must have referenced them.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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Post by gbrindisi »

jcr wrote: post #33
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it is related to being the younger generation. I think it is more to do with Hacker News not having many "hackers" ;)

You might be right that there aren't many "hackers" on HN, but a lot of it has to do with how you define the term. As for not knowing eclectic but important bits of history like "2600" or even who "Lawnchair Larry" was, experience takes time, and knowledge takes effort. A good example is that most people don't know all of the available terminal commands available on a UNIX(-ish including MacOS/iOS/Android) system, le…

> You might be right that there aren't many "hackers" on HN, but a lot of it has to do with how you define the term.

Exactly.

Here on HN the confusion is worsened because the definition of "hacker" has shifted from ~"security expert" to ~"technical enterpreuner".

Nothing wrong in redefining terms but we shouldn't be surprised if outside here hacker has another meaning.

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