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Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are they on strike though? Are they refusing to come in to work and not being paid? From the blurb it sounds like they're choosing to not deliver mail to one particular person/company .. which sounds absurd.. I assume postal workers can't on their own decide to not deliver mail to people/companies they don't like as long as it's framed as a protest
I think they probably have the power to not cross a picket line, or even a full blown sympathy strike if they want. In this case, the union who wants Tesla to accept the sectoral contract is striking, so the postal union is refusing to cross the picket line by doing business with Tesla.
That doesn't make sense. It says they're refusing to allow Tesla to pick up the license plates as well. And in any case, is a picket line a legally protected entity now?
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think they probably have the power to not cross a picket line, or even a full blown sympathy strike if they want. In this case, the union who wants Tesla to accept the sectoral contract is striking, so the postal union is refusing to cross the picket line by doing business with Tesla.
That doesn't make sense. It says they're refusing to allow Tesla to pick up the license plates as well. And in any case, is a picket line a legally protected entity now?
Just going by what's been reported, so let me clarify I'm totally ignorant of the actual facts of Swedish law. But it appears that Tesla can't pick the plates up due to a law on the books stating that plates must be sent via mail.
I'm using the word "picket line" informally to describe a strike / labor action, which I would guess is a legally protected and regulated thing in Sweden, as indeed in the US.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
If he does that, he will have to do the same with norway, and probably Denmark too. Also, Tesla will have to open-source his hardware, because it will have to respect warranties, and without transport/local Tesla shops, the only alternative will be conventional car shop, which right now cannot really serve Teslas, at least in France.
> because it will have to respect warranties How? If they leave how can a fine be levied against them? EU?
Yes, sorry i wasn't clear, but consumer protection laws spawns across all EU (i think it's more than that, even Switzerland is in that agreement), so if Tesla do not respect Swedish warranties, Tesla would be at risk in the whole EU.
And Eu is not the US. Some young people might like and follow Musk and his venture a lot, but most people just do not care about him, and when it comes to consumer laws, EU do not joke around. If you have to trust EU to agree on one thing, it's consumer protection. More than market integrity, for sure (hence what is allowed to happen in Ireland: if you do not import consumer grade product or food, the irish sea border basically isn't enforced). So unless Tesla is far more popular accross EU than the Uk, Tesla will have to bend.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#125License plates go to the manufacturer only? How does that work when a used car is sold between individuals? In the US, I don’t need the manufacturer (or dealer) to get a plate - I just go to the DMV on my own.
You don't need to deal with license plates when you buy a used car? If the car is registered for road traffic, it'll have a set of plates with it.
Not in the US - plates stay with the owner (or get returned to the local DMV) when a car is sold.
Sounds like Sweden is the opposite - plates move with the car. Which sort of makes more sense to me.
Except most of the cars I've owned have come from out-of-state, so I'd need new plates anyways (plates are issued at the state level, not national in the US).
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would the Swedish military care if Tesla can or cannot receive licence plates fast enough?
Because with the Russian subs just off the cost of Gotland things might get complicated. Also, Finland is already complaining that Russia is weaponising immigrants, so much so that they've closed 7 out of 8 border posts they have with Russia (if I got the numbers right), and seeing how the problem of immigrants is a very delicate one for Sweden (and for many other Western countries generally speaking) the Swedish peo…
I still don't see how any of that concerns Tesla's supply of licence plates or relations with labour unions.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then the factory workers might refuse to hand out plates to Tesla as they're also part of a union.
But they aren't. Also unions can't push these sympathy strikes too far, by doing targeted denial of government services they are really making it easy for the current right wing government in Sweden to add regulations to prevent unions from denying government services via sympathy strikes in the future. There are already such laws for healthcare etc.
They aren't because the situation doesn't require it yet? If the rules/regulations regarding delivery of plates changes union action will change to address that. If the government does something to curb union power (in a non life and death situation) they'll likely lose the next election.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
The way unions work in scandinavia is that they are decentralized but supportive of each other. IE as long as the workers don't form an local chapter everything is fine the problem if that when such a chapter forms and the company ignores it every other union chapter is allowed to refuse to deliver work in support of an company that choose to refuse/fight unionization. So for there to be an conflict there have to be…
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Well, except for the "legal, encouraged, and part of the social compact" bit.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't need to deal with license plates when you buy a used car? If the car is registered for road traffic, it'll have a set of plates with it.
Not in the US - plates stay with the owner (or get returned to the local DMV) when a car is sold. Sounds like Sweden is the opposite - plates move with the car. Which sort of makes more sense to me. Except most of the cars I've owned have come from out-of-state, so I'd need new plates anyways (plates are issued at the state level, not national in the US).
For what it's worth, plates go with the car in many US states too.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
The way unions work in scandinavia is that they are decentralized but supportive of each other. IE as long as the workers don't form an local chapter everything is fine the problem if that when such a chapter forms and the company ignores it every other union chapter is allowed to refuse to deliver work in support of an company that choose to refuse/fight unionization. So for there to be an conflict there have to be…
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So much "Network effects for me, but not for thee" vibes in this thread.
Lets be clear. The VC streak on this forum would viciously exploit any opportunity to wrest every cent out of any even ambiguously quasi-legal network-effect-if-you-look-hard-enough.
I personally get great amusement in seeing the shoe on the other foot for once. Rock on, Nordic fellows!