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Why would the Russian military care if Tesla can or cannot receive licence plates fast enough?
Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
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Geopolitical jokes are fun only if they are cleverly silly and not just uninformed. It’s open secret Sweden has had secret security guarantees from US for decades (probably part of agreement that Sweden will not develop their own nuclear strike capability). This is not something US would back out of on a whimsy.
And beyond that, the US would risk its relationship with at least the Baltics and Nordics as well, and possibly EU at large. You don’t fire off political ultimatums for a minor trade dispute if you’re not already prepared to sever relationships.
It’s not that Sweden is important in itself (though I’d like to think it is, as a swede), but this is a little bit like suggesting placing a Russian army base in South Dakota. South Dakotans being pissed would barely register compared to the reactions from the US beyond that.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like this is more performative and/or grasping at straws, kinda like the recent X Corp v Media Matters suit.
On the "what is the legal basis for..." I think Tesla is beginning a process to have their hinds (and stock price) protected. A businessman will not just raise his hands up in the air in despair and say "ok I will not proceed". No, he/Tesla is suing as they have every right to and if local/top Swedish court says "oops can't do anything" then they can easily escalate to a higher court (EU) will solve it for them. Mean…
The EU doesn't have a say in this matter.
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#104Looks like the counter to "fuck your rules" has always been: "ok so no more commerce with you".
Rules? Collective agreements are entirely voluntary, by law. What is happening is that the union is using connected companies to force Tesla to sign a collective agreement. Employees are not prohibited from joining the union themselves, they are protected by law and Tesla can not stop them nor fire them for it. From what I've read, the employees are quite happy as it is, and a collective agreement would actually make…
> Employees are not prohibited from joining the union themselves, they are protected by law and Tesla can not stop them nor fire them for it.
Joining an union does not equate to having a CBA.
> From what I've read, the employees are quite happy as it is, and a collective agreement would actually make thing worse as it puts some restrictions on the relation between employer/employee.
What restrictions? Collective bargaining agreements set the minimum bar of the employment relationship, if Tesla already has better terms there's no reason to not sign one. They aren't forbidden to provide anything that is better than the agreement, they are only forbidden to go lower than the agreement.
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#105License plates go to the manufacturer only? How does that work when a used car is sold between individuals? In the US, I don’t need the manufacturer (or dealer) to get a plate - I just go to the DMV on my own.
You don't own the plates and transfer them between cars in Sweden, they are sold with the licence plates, and they will be on the car until it gets scrapped.
The only exception is for "personal plates" which are customised plates that work as an alias to the car's registered plate (the one attached to the car's VIN), those can be moved to a new car when its VIN is registered to a normal registration plate.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rules? Collective agreements are entirely voluntary, by law. What is happening is that the union is using connected companies to force Tesla to sign a collective agreement. Employees are not prohibited from joining the union themselves, they are protected by law and Tesla can not stop them nor fire them for it. From what I've read, the employees are quite happy as it is, and a collective agreement would actually make…
> What is happening is that the union is using connected companies to force Tesla to sign a collective agreement. Which the rules permit. Being stubborn and winding up in the middle of a multi-union sympathy strike is similarly "entirely voluntary, by law".
Interesting choice of word.
If the employees are not interested, the employer is not interested, yet they are forced to do something they do not want (and which is voluntary, again by law) then it's not being "stubborn".
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought you listed it as a negative effect. If that wasn't the point, I apologize, I misinterpreted.
Now that I read it again I can see that interpretation (Updated). I mean it could be bad for Swedish investments, so kind of bad?
It hasn't been bad so far, similar regulations have been around since 1938 and updated in 74; Sweden punches way above its size in economic output, the country's labour market was built on this foundation and it's worked pretty damn well.
I think Sweden will be absolutely fine if Tesla packs up and leaves, it's not like the market disappears because they left, there's just more space for competitors to take over Tesla's marketshare.
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#1083 Chapter 1:st paragraph in the law concering postal delivery in sweden. Postnord has an obligation to deliver mail. Interesting to see what will rank higher in court. The postal law or the right to strikes.
It's force majeure. The liberalisation of the postal service in the early 2000s gave workers the right to strike. When it was a monopoly, the workers didn't have the right to strike.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the purpose of this lawsuit is to get that regulation changed.
Then the factory workers might refuse to hand out plates to Tesla as they're also part of a union.
But they aren't. Also unions can't push these sympathy strikes too far, by doing targeted denial of government services they are really making it easy for the current right wing government in Sweden to add regulations to prevent unions from denying government services via sympathy strikes in the future. There are already such laws for healthcare etc.
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#1103 Chapter 1:st paragraph in the law concering postal delivery in sweden. Postnord has an obligation to deliver mail. Interesting to see what will rank higher in court. The postal law or the right to strikes.
It’s possible PTS approves blockades as “exceptional circumstances” and exempts PostNord from their obligation to deliver mail to Tesla?
It's a standard clause in contracts in Scandinavia. All obligations are suspended in case of industrial action.