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Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by smsm42 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #501
blibble wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But leaving the EU doesn't automatically turn your country into Switzerland or Norway like the UK expected. this was never expected or mentioned by anyone

Oh it was, and a lot, by both pro-Brexit parties and advocates, you probably don't remember. They kept pointing at Switzerland and Norway as arguments of how well you can succeed without the EU.

There's a difference between saying "it's possible to exist without EU - see countries X and Y as an example" and "if we leave EU we will turn immediately into country X or Y". The first is reasonable argument, the second is completely ridiculous.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by beretguy »

rrreese wrote: post #64

I tried moving to Firefox a year ago but found that the lack of Tab Groups really killed me. There are several extensions that try to emulate this behaviour, but I didn't find that they worked particularly well. And then there are the security concerns. I guess when Chrome break uBlock Origin next year I'll give Edge a go, or one of the various chromium builds

You need Vivaldi if you like tab groups.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by beretguy »

GreenWatermelon wrote: post #361
utybo wrote: post #283

Please, Firefox, for the love of everything, add a good, easy, natively integrated, one-click-to-enable vertical tab list like Edge's. That's the only thing keeping me on Microsoft Edge and it's a dealbreaker for me. The extensions that add ones are just not as good.

Vertical tabs are The Reason why I stick to Edge despite the constant annoyances Microsoft throws my way. That, and the fact I can still hide most annoying things (like the tools sidebar and bing chat and stuff. Has has also gotten split screen tabs which is awesome, though I keep forgetting about it and don't use it.

Consider switching to Vivaldi.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by yawpitch »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #501
blibble wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But leaving the EU doesn't automatically turn your country into Switzerland or Norway like the UK expected. this was never expected or mentioned by anyone

Oh it was, and a lot, by both pro-Brexit parties and advocates, you probably don't remember. They kept pointing at Switzerland and Norway as arguments of how well you can succeed without the EU.

Wait… so they just straight-up lied to the public by simply eliding the most likely outcome? Shocking.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by dizhn »

zo1 wrote: post #257
dizhn wrote: post #155

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Do you have a source for this? I found an old source that says they pay the foundation.

Not OP. The problem is compounded by the fact that all the released financial and audit reports seem to "consolidate" the flow of money between the foundation (non-profit parent company) and the corporation (for-profit owned subsidiary). So it's just seen as income, and we have no idea how accounting-wise they get the money, and how it presumably "flows out" to the foundation. Who knows how much "licensing costs" the…

It almost seems like they are conflating things on purpose. They mostly use the name Mozilla without specifying which it is. Actually I was trying to find sources now and reporters seem to be doing the exact same thing.

We know they are paying large sums to the top executives. Is the corporation paying this or the foundation? You cannot donate to the corporation so maybe the donations alone (without google money) is enough for their expenses. It's more consufing because if I am not mistaken the top execs of the corp are also top execs of the foundation. Regardless, since one owns the other, they probably have legal ways to move money around. Excluding the people who are actually trying to build a browser, the whole organization is super suspect. As far as I know they never respond to criticism either.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by Terretta »

On MacOS, consider Orion Browser by Kagi.

Very fast. Zero telemetry. Lightweight, natively built with WebKit, made for you and your Mac. Industry-leading battery life, privacy respecting by design, and native support for web extensions.

Orion offers native support for many Firefox and Chrome browser extensions allowing access to the world's largest eco-system of browser extensions. Even UBlock Origin.

Not that you need it, since Orion has been engineered from ground up as a truly privacy-respecting zero telemetry browser.

Your private information will never leave Orion by default, and to protect your privacy on the web, Orion comes with industry-leading anti-tracking technology as well as a powerful built-in ad-blocker.

https://kagi.com/orion/

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by maccard »

pitdicker wrote: post #222
ggjkvcxddd wrote: post #165

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>I just don't understand why people would use Chrome. Really? That seems hard to believe. I stuck with FF until around 2016 or so before being compelled to switch. The performance was just very clearly worse than Chrome's at the time. Not sure what the state of things is now. This is HN, so another huge reason to use Chrome is for the devtools, which I've always had a very good experience with and know pretty well. I…

There was a lot of talk about Firefox having poor performance, but I have never experienced any of it. For daily use Firefox has always been one of the more responsive applications on my PC. If you experienced poor performance the common explanation at the time was that you either had a profile folder that had accumulated all sorts of stuff that somehow caused a slowdown, or had some unfortunate extensions installed.

I've used Firefox consistently since about 2006, and it is true. We use gmail and meet in work - both are snappier and break less in chrome than in Firefox. I probably spend 30% of my browser time on those two sites in work.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by IggleSniggle »

Klonoar wrote: post #465
Fatnino wrote: post #342

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I went from Netscape to IE to Firefox to Chrome and back to Firefox. Sure they're different, but it's not jarring. It's like switching to another car. You can just hop in and drive away. Then you gradually adjust the seat just how you like it and install your favorite air freshener in a natural progression, and so on.

The car analogy doesn't quite work that way. Disliking one browser's UI/UX over another is like trying to drive two different cars: one with a touch screen console and another one with an analog console. There are genuine reasons to want one over the other and it will color how you use it day to day.

Sure, but at the most, having to put up with a touch screen is a minor annoyance, and for the most part, you really don't need the functionality that's gated behind those controls. It's a little annoying, yes.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by alkonaut »

bcook wrote: post #327
alkonaut wrote: post #317

The problem with FF I find is being a bit slower on the uptake of new features. WebGPU being the current best example. It's annoying to have to swap to Edge for specific pages.

Which specific pages are you referring to?

Pages that use the features that are enabled in edge but not in FireFox. Such as WebGPU.
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