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Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

blibble wrote: post #496
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spot on. There's a lot to criticize the EU for and it's definitely in dire need of reform in some places, but overall it's a net benefit to all members despite the squabbles, that being anti-EU feels strange. The wealthy countries that chose never to join like Switzerland and Norway have their own valid reasons to not join (fear of regulation on banking, fishing and oil that's not in their favor) and still thrive due…

> But leaving the EU doesn't automatically turn your country into Switzerland or Norway like the UK expected. this was never expected or mentioned by anyone

Oh it was, and a lot, by both pro-Brexit parties and advocates, you probably don't remember.

They kept pointing at Switzerland and Norway as arguments of how well you can succeed without the EU.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by jacquesm »

blibble wrote: post #496
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spot on. There's a lot to criticize the EU for and it's definitely in dire need of reform in some places, but overall it's a net benefit to all members despite the squabbles, that being anti-EU feels strange. The wealthy countries that chose never to join like Switzerland and Norway have their own valid reasons to not join (fear of regulation on banking, fishing and oil that's not in their favor) and still thrive due…

> But leaving the EU doesn't automatically turn your country into Switzerland or Norway like the UK expected. this was never expected or mentioned by anyone

Hm. It actually was. One of the major reasons the UK left the EU is because it would turn the UK into the financial center that it once was not having to deal with all these pesky EU regulations on financial markets. Small detail: it was the EU acting on behalf of the US that was the foundation for a lot of these regulations (mostly the fall out of a couple of really bad episodes) and Switzerland, one of the few hold-outs eventually also caved in to US pressure. So that sentiment was definitely there but it didn't work out. Meanwhile the UK is 100 billion(!) per year short compared to the in-the-EU alternative https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-31/brexit-is... .

Of course the marketeers working for the relatively wealthy fraction of the UK got paid handsomely. That wealthy fraction finds themselves without a hairs breadth of Brussels interference to enrich themselves further at the expense of the rest of the population in the UK, and they don't really care: they are now the largest fish in a much smaller pond and as long as the smaller fish can be kept in line they will make bank.

Not that any of the smaller fish would ever admit to being duped, after all this is a team sport and what matters is that your team wins, not that that which you have won is actually a step back.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by throw10920 »

Dah00n wrote: post #380
_cenw wrote: post #194

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People who don't see the problem with Edge must all be domain joined or on Pro for Workstations / Enterprise. Supposedly the browser doesn't annoy "confirmed" business customers as much. I recently switched to the RC Insider ring just to get the EU digital markets update, which lets you uninstall Edge. Because it started doing incredibly creepy stuff. * Keeps asking me every day if I want to keep my new tab extension…

>to get the EU digital markets update, which lets you uninstall Edge. Again — as a former anti-EU person — I am reminded why I am now pro-EU. While nowhere perfect it is much better than not having an EU and way, way better than the US.

What does this have to do with the EU? This just sounds like decent regulation.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by bitsandboots »

I stopped trying to understand why people don't use firefox. It's been the only browser worth using since opera died. Vivaldi is a fun toy, but it's still got chromium baggage that keeps it from true greatness.

Now, where's the arm64 linux builds? Currently have to rely on the distro or build it yourself. Is it too much to ask of their automation?

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by viraptor »

dubcanada wrote: post #458
Dah00n wrote: post #388

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The problem with these Chromium based browsers is that this is helping strangle the only real alternative to Chrome. You might not sell your soul to Google, but you still help Google keep their stranglehold on web standards, etc. Of course, a single person is always irrelevant in the big picture, but combined Vivaldi, Brave, etc. are helping strangle Firefox and helping prop up Google's heavy hand on web standards.

It's Firefoxs fault that Chromium took over, Firefox just had to copy what Google did with Chrome (which is make a version that is easily integrated in other applications). It had years to do so, and did not. I am not blaming Firefox for the rise in Chrome, but I am blaming them for the rise in Chromium. They have a solid alternative and didn't care enough to capitalize on it. Who knows in another timeline with chang…

Embedding the browser is a very small issue compared to what Google actually did: spend money, put chrome ads everywhere on the internet, spend more money, push chrome in its results and pages, spend more money, put chrome ads in physical space. The features don't matter that much - there were a couple of years where you were simply bombarded with ads about a better browser. It worked and they made normies care.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by medo-bear »

throw10920 wrote: post #504
Dah00n wrote: post #380

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>to get the EU digital markets update, which lets you uninstall Edge. Again — as a former anti-EU person — I am reminded why I am now pro-EU. While nowhere perfect it is much better than not having an EU and way, way better than the US.

What does this have to do with the EU? This just sounds like decent regulation.

EU is pretty much all about regulation

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by poszlem »

rollcat wrote: post #398

The article is bollocks. Recommending Pale Moon in 2023 is plain irresponsible. No process isolation/sandboxing for tabs/websites/addons, playing constant catch-up with Firefox on implementing security fixes/mitigations (made more difficult by how far back the fork has happened), disregarding all the optimizations that brought Firefox closer to being on par with Chrome (which translates to higher power usage). In my…

The reason for the article is not to give a good recommendation to people but to promote Tuta (looks like an ad campaign that started about 2 weeks ago: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=tuta.com).

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by medo-bear »

jacquesm wrote: post #455
Dah00n wrote: post #380

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>to get the EU digital markets update, which lets you uninstall Edge. Again — as a former anti-EU person — I am reminded why I am now pro-EU. While nowhere perfect it is much better than not having an EU and way, way better than the US.

I've come across many anti EU persons and there are some broad categories: - the uninformed, they have no idea about how the EU came about or what it does, but they're against it anyway - the people on the receiving end of the regulations (anti-trust, advertisers, marketeers, bankers, data sellers etc). They have a very good idea about what it does, but it interferes with their preferred way of getting to more cash.…

What about the people who see the existing EU as an anti-democratic bureocracy

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by jacquesm »

medo-bear wrote: post #509
jacquesm wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've come across many anti EU persons and there are some broad categories: - the uninformed, they have no idea about how the EU came about or what it does, but they're against it anyway - the people on the receiving end of the regulations (anti-trust, advertisers, marketeers, bankers, data sellers etc). They have a very good idea about what it does, but it interferes with their preferred way of getting to more cash.…

What about the people who see the existing EU as an anti-democratic bureocracy

What about them?

Do they see the federal government of the United States also as an anti-democratic bureaucracy?

Do they see their own government as anti-democratic?

And if not why do they see the existing EU as different?

Do they understand how EU representatives are chosen?

Do they follow EU parliamentary proceedings and do they understand how EU law interacts with local law?

All of those are important questions and usually the more people answer 'yes' to the above the bigger the chance that they see the EU as a net positive.

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