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Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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I tried moving to Firefox a year ago but found that the lack of Tab Groups really killed me. There are several extensions that try to emulate this behaviour, but I didn't find that they worked particularly well. And then there are the security concerns. I guess when Chrome break uBlock Origin next year I'll give Edge a go, or one of the various chromium builds

Try Tree Style Tabs. It's different but works very well. Edge even stole vertical tabs, I wish Chrome also did.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Two things stand out: 1. native vertical tabs 2. native tab groups Yes, I know there are extensions for these things, but I, personally, find them horrible.

> native tab groups that addon is semi official

which one?

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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"I stuck with FF until around 2016 or so before being compelled to switch. The performance was just very clearly worse..." This is a fair point. Personally, I don't recall seeing a big difference between the two. Maybe there was. Perhaps it was not that bad so it wasn't as issue for me. As for dev tools, I have been happy with Firefox - but then when I am doing web development I am testing on various browsers, anyway…

Performance-wise, Firefox was significantly worse up until v57 (AKA Quantum release), which was released in 2017. I've made the switch when that version hit Nighly and haven't looked back since. Nowadays I don't think there's a big performance gap one way or the other.

The problem is that it took so much time for Firefox to improve performances and implement process per tab that by the time they finally did it, even the more hardcore geeks had switched to Chrome.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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If I were running Mozilla I would be aggressively investing the Google money until it's at a point where the interest on that investment is enough to sustain the entire operation. The problem is, Mozilla is full of NGO types who don't care about the browser, and use the money stream to fund pet projects. If the spigot gets shut off, they don't care, they'll jump ship to some other non profit and will keep "making the…

The standard argument against Mozilla has been that they haven’t funded enough non Firefox projects. The classic example being Thunderbird.

Mozilla should ignore these arguments. Stand-alone email clients other than Outlook (for corporate use with MS servers) are basically dead these days; they don't need any more development by a well-funded company. If some volunteers want to step up and work on Thunderbird, more power to them, but Mozilla needs to concentrate on the browser and nothing else.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Mozilla consists of a non-profit foundation and a for-profit corporation. It is the corporation which develops the browser, and Google pays the corporation.

Do you have a source for this? I found an old source that says they pay the foundation.

Not OP.

The problem is compounded by the fact that all the released financial and audit reports seem to "consolidate" the flow of money between the foundation (non-profit parent company) and the corporation (for-profit owned subsidiary). So it's just seen as income, and we have no idea how accounting-wise they get the money, and how it presumably "flows out" to the foundation. Who knows how much "licensing costs" the corporation pays the foundation as a way of extracting the money up.

E.g.:

https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2021/mozilla-fdn-202...

"All significant intercompany accounts and transactions have been eliminated."

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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There appear to be two specific issues for me. One is that I use Bluetooth headphones, and with my coming and going sometimes something gets into some weird state. Youtube freezes, and sometimes Firefox locks up and crashes as well. This is probably Pipewire's/Fedora's fault primarily, but Firefox gets caught in it. I also notice that a network drive getting stuck gets Firefox killed. Like if a NFS drive (which I'm n…

I’ve not seen a single application yet, which handles audio system failures properly when it happens during runtime, and most of them fails even when it happens before starting them. And it’s quite frequent unfortunately with my gazillion different Bluetooth and wired headsets across multiple laptops. It’s definitely not Firefox specific. It’s basically standard.

There's probably something to blame in pipewire/fedora's configuration.

I know that at least Pulseaudio has a "null" output driver, so if the audio hardware suddenly disappears, at least under PA it's possible to have applications happily deliver audio into the void without noticing a thing, and then switch back to hardware when it comes back.

I'm not sure if Pipewire deals with this worse or just isn't configured right.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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I have been a happy Firefox user for 15 years... maybe more. I have seen people use and complain Internet Explorer in my younger days, from version 6 to 7, etc. Even though I mention Firefox to them, they stay with IE. What amazes me is how quick they transitioned to Google Chrome when it released. This was around 2009. It amazes me how quick people jump to something especially when it has a big company behind advert…

> It amazes me how quick people jump to something especially when it has a big company behind advertising it.

Because it works. Advertising works. That's the bane of the conflict of interest between companies and users of Ad blockers. We (technical users) cannot complain that companies should not use and abuse Ads, because at the same time we (humanity as a collective) constantly show once and again that Ads do work excellently for their intended purpose.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Sadly Firefox doesn’t translate most languages like Danish in the iOS app. They have chosen not to add that feature for some reason. It rules out Firefox for me because I want bookmark and history syncing between mobile and PC. A LOT of people are waiting for better language support on iOS.
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