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Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

JonathanBeuys wrote: post #33

My problem with Firefox is that a new Firefox windows can only be launched from the same environment (or only from a child process?) from which the first window has been started. Even the same user who started FF cannot launch a new window from a new shell. That constantly interferes with my workflow. Example: Say firefox has been started from the Destop already and now I want to start a new Firefox window from a roo…

Why are you using root terminals in the first place? This has always been considered poor security practice. Consequently, your workflow is a very peculiar one, and while you personally might feel inconvenience, I don’t think that this frustrates many other Firefox users out there.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by dale_glass »

nicman23 wrote: post #146
dale_glass wrote: post #29

Unfortunately, Firefox isn't quite keeping up. One issue is that for me at least, Firefox crashes too often, and when it does, the entire browser goes away, not just the tab. That's annoying. Another issue is that something seems to be lacking performance-wise. I messed around a bit with Invoke AI, and the canvas is painfully slow even on modern, high end hardware. I thought it was just the code sucked. Nope, it's si…

that is plain false info. firefox is running each tab on a different process. also invoke AI works fine. either your ff configuration is f'up (which kinda is the browser's fault) or you are doing something wrong.

Interesting. If you go to the canvas and try to paint something there, how does your brush move?

For me it's very noticeably slow, for the entire UI. Zooming, moving, drawing, is all slow.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by abenga »

luc4 wrote: post #90
izacus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, attacking the source of revenue that sustains a project is always a sensitive prospect. But then again, what's the alternative for Mozilla? In case of YouTube Premium we've clearly seen that even HN software engineers, demanding six figure pay, will refuse to pay other software companies a few bucks for their engineering work. Where does Mozilla find funding to sustain itself elsewhere?

What? We're not refusing to "pay other software companies a few bucks for their engineering work", we refuse to give in to the extortion attempts of a greedy multi-billion dollar company. I have and will keep financially supporting software I find useful. However, I do agree that it's questionable whether you can easily replace Google as a source of funding.

I'm going to feel icky for being a corpo simp, but how is asking for payment for a service an "extortion attempt"? Not asking as a YouTube premium subscriber or watcher of of ads (can't pay for Premium in my country and cannot bear to watch ads, so I use Firefox and an alternative client on my TV). I find it hard to frame it as an ad free but still subscription free service I am entitled to, and any attempt by Google to circumvent my workarounds as something unethical on their part.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by jacooper »

bluecalm wrote: post #67
seanthemon wrote: post #57

Highly recommend brave (with all the crypto nonsense shut off), it's a pretty fast browser, nice features and works with chrome extensions. I've used it successfully for the past 3 or something years

Brave might be the best thing to come out of the crypto era :) I hope it will somehow survive both Chrome changes and crypto dying off.

I doubt its dependent on crypto, they have enough services such as brave search, vpn and meets. They probably generate enough revenue.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by dizhn »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #139
SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were running Mozilla I would be aggressively investing the Google money until it's at a point where the interest on that investment is enough to sustain the entire operation. The problem is, Mozilla is full of NGO types who don't care about the browser, and use the money stream to fund pet projects. If the spigot gets shut off, they don't care, they'll jump ship to some other non profit and will keep "making the…

Mozilla consists of a non-profit foundation and a for-profit corporation. It is the corporation which develops the browser, and Google pays the corporation.

Do you have a source for this? I found an old source that says they pay the foundation.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by londons_explore »

bad_user wrote: post #100

I keep seeing Edge mentioned as a worthy alternative, and I just don't get it. First, all Chromium-based browsers will eventually block uBlock Origin for the sole reason that they can't maintain Manifest v2 on their own, and they all rely on Chrome's Web Store anyway. This won't happen immediately because Manifest v2 will probably stick around for longer because of enterprise users, but the writing is on the wall. Th…

> they can't maintain Manifest v2 on their own

The code for manifest v2 is really very simple (when you know that functionality for manifest v3 must remain available) - maintenance of it as an unmerged patch would be pretty straightforward.

I suspect such a patch could be just 10's of lines of code - you're simply changing the condition list under which a web request can be blocking or not.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by recursivecaveat »

x0x0 wrote: post #75
roydivision wrote: post #25

Mozilla get a lot of funding directly from Google for making Google the default search site [0]. Seems to me that this may be a problem going forward if Mozilla continue to allow ad blockers in Firefox. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-05-05/why-go...

Mozilla's rev stream from google is also antitrust mitigation.

Exactly. If there was only 1 Firefox user, it would be a Google staffer being paid to keep that number above 0.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by pharmakom »

masfoobar wrote: post #148

I have been a happy Firefox user for 15 years... maybe more. I have seen people use and complain Internet Explorer in my younger days, from version 6 to 7, etc. Even though I mention Firefox to them, they stay with IE. What amazes me is how quick they transitioned to Google Chrome when it released. This was around 2009. It amazes me how quick people jump to something especially when it has a big company behind advert…

Some things (e.g. Slack calls) will not work in Firefox. It’s pretty annoying. Personally I still use Firefox.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by broodbucket »

dale_glass wrote: post #120
erklik wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Firefox daily as my default, have roughly about 250 tabs open at this stage. I've not closed my browser in the last 6 or 7 months.. It's not crashed yet. Is it possible that it's some specific website your visiting?

There appear to be two specific issues for me. One is that I use Bluetooth headphones, and with my coming and going sometimes something gets into some weird state. Youtube freezes, and sometimes Firefox locks up and crashes as well. This is probably Pipewire's/Fedora's fault primarily, but Firefox gets caught in it. I also notice that a network drive getting stuck gets Firefox killed. Like if a NFS drive (which I'm n…

These issues aren't present in Chromium browsers?

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

dizhn wrote: post #155
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla consists of a non-profit foundation and a for-profit corporation. It is the corporation which develops the browser, and Google pays the corporation.

Do you have a source for this? I found an old source that says they pay the foundation.

A quick look at the Wikipedia article for the corporation says that Google pays the corporation:

"In 2006, the Mozilla Corporation generated $66.8 million in revenue and $19.8 million in expenses, with 85% of that revenue coming from Google for "assigning [Google] as the browser's default search engine, and for click-throughs on ads placed on the ensuing search results pages."

Sources linked there like [0], albeit quite old now, mention only the corporation and not the foundation.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2011/12/5/2612918/future-of-firefox...

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