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AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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This is an anecdotal fallacy. Because you would be fine does not mean others would be given the same circumstances.

I was responding to: > I really wish we had a universe simulator so you could see how miserably you would fail to survive an environment like that. So go take up your objections with the guy I was replying to instead of coming at me and moving the goalposts. I agree that kids these days are weak and coddled and not emotionally resilient enough. And this kind of safetyism is the exact reason why.

The universe simulator in question would deprive you of your memories and life experience. For all you know while you're in it you're a teenage girl with all the trappings and insecurities of being raised as such, you always have been and this is your whole and only world and future you're watching fall apart.

Like yeah I'm not at all shocked the HN everyman mid 30s white dude wouldn't really care about his nudes being spread around. The point of the simulator comment was I wish you could truly experience how different life is for women.

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Imagine the benefits a safe image generator would have on children, them learning to explain what they want to see, how it should be changed. A house with a tree and a dog and a lake nearby, instead of playing candy crush. Why shouldn't it be solved? We clearly differ.

If the children manage to induce LLM into generating NSFW content, they are probably capable of inducing their set of coloring pen into drawing dick shapes.

Now think about whether this is entirely the child’s idea or a suggestion or Rick roll by another kid or some stranger on the internet. If people are deploying these tools widely there will be more and more opportunities for that to happen.

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Together with fancy silicon chips, AI models and everything else that's being exported from the US , the world has to endure this puritanistic views export too.

some parts of east asia and middle east are much, much, Much worse. Not just "puritanistic" but down to "these kinds of people do not exist".

They don't believe nude people exist?

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iEEE commentary on AI confuses the hell out of me. Any model that has a concept of a human body in it, which it needs in order to do body accurate shapes, will spit out NSFW images. Some training on top of it or some old style CNN nudity feature detection to make it less likely isn’t safety, it’s windowdressing. Not making nude pictures is not a property of these systems, it’s IEEs framing of what they apparently wan…

> it’s IEEs framing of what they apparently want properties to be.

More accurately, it’s some researchers assessing how well the leading companies in a booming field are delivering the safety features they’re advertising. A ton of people would like to know whether the applications they’re building can produce output they don’t want to be associated with, the vendors are trying to say they can meet that need, and it’s hugely useful to know how successful they’ve been before it turns out that, say, your grade school kid just got porn shared in their art class’ purportedly safe app. If the safeguards aren’t reliable enough, that might mean the most sensitive buyers wait to see rather than jumping into the market – put the same tech into a game targeting older players and it’s an amusement but not something which is going to scandalize people who were otherwise okay with the latest Call of Gory Murder.

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It’s already happening with photoshop, ai just makes it easier. You can’t stop the creation of these images only deal with the result.

This is like saying it’s no big deal for everyone to carry around a machine gun because humans have been stabbing each other for centuries. Scale and lowered skill barriers are transformative: you’d have to have a pretty epic middle school grudge to spend hundreds of hours learning Photoshop well enough to produce equally realistic fakes, whereas there are now apps which would allow anyone with an iPhone to spend a few minutes getting the same result.

That matters because once you realize the false dichotomy you can discuss intermediate steps: for example, if businesses have legal requirements to watermark output, answer legal requests to identify the user who produced an image, or apply a robust NSFW filter, etc. that certainly wouldn’t prevent all abuse but it would make a difference for the majority of school kids who a don’t have the skills to setup an entire open source ML toolchain.

Where this especially matters is curated experiences. A lot of businesses would like to offer ways to personalize their services but they’re worried about what happens if, say, you can get Disney’s Make Your Own Magical Kingdom app show someone else’s kid your clever prompt. It’s not hard to imagine a regulatory framework similar to what’s evolving with self-driving cars where companies would need to validate their products’ performance at certain levels to be certified as suitable for certain thresholds (safe to show to the user, their friends, other people in the same game as them, fully public, etc.).

A big area will be brand safety: even if it’s not technically illegal or even unprecedented levels of violence to show a bloodied Mario and Luigi fighting, there’d be outraged parents and an epic lawsuit if your app’s generative AI feature can produce it, and that means there’s a big market demand for services which can assure buyers that they don’t have to worry about it.

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If someone AI generated a bunch of nude images of me, I am pretty sure I could survive that. I might even find it amusing. https://x.com/tylerthecreator/status/285670822264307712

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Odd the repository has "safety" in the name. Are NSFW images considered "unsafe" in some weird way?

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iEEE commentary on AI confuses the hell out of me. Any model that has a concept of a human body in it, which it needs in order to do body accurate shapes, will spit out NSFW images. Some training on top of it or some old style CNN nudity feature detection to make it less likely isn’t safety, it’s windowdressing. Not making nude pictures is not a property of these systems, it’s IEEs framing of what they apparently wan…

The models in question are explicitly aligned in order to prevent NSFW images, at great expense. So not making nudes absolutely is a stated feature of this software.

It’s security theatre and IEEE should, as a fundamentals organization, call that out rather than testing security measures and shallow reporting.

The security theatre serves interests, talk about that.

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If the children manage to induce LLM into generating NSFW content, they are probably capable of inducing their set of coloring pen into drawing dick shapes.

Now think about whether this is entirely the child’s idea or a suggestion or Rick roll by another kid or some stranger on the internet. If people are deploying these tools widely there will be more and more opportunities for that to happen.

I think it's not desirable to spend time fixing these elaborate scenarios. The same sort of kids trolling kids will happen via other means. At the end of the day, if a kiddo sees some porn, it's not the end of the world. Plenty of kids hear their parents having sex or will open a door they shouldn't have and see people in action. Making everything completely aseptic is only pandering to prude adults' discomfort.

And ultimately these LLM are tools. People are responsible for what they do with the tool. My Dewalt drill shouldn't try to decide which holes to cut, it's up to me. If I drill holes in the pattern of a dick shape, it's my fault. We don't hold back drill development because of their potential ability to create obscene art or depict gruesome situations.

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It seems like such a pointless exercise .... it's so unsurprising that if you try really hard to break something by violating it's design constraints that ... it breaks. Like, if I said I was going to find out if you can smash a car by driving it directly into a tree and then wrote an article about it. The really useful point of building the constraints in is to ensure we don't get offensive content by accident. Espe…

A far better analogy would be a self-driving car coerced into a crash. I wouldn't say it's pointless. I'd be pretty angry if I parental-locked everything only to find out that clever children found a way.

Two solutions for you:

1. Don't lock anything. 2. Don't have kids.

They ALWAYS find a way. These days, even not giving them a device at all doesn't cut it, because they're so cheaply available, with wifi everywhere, that you're really just out of luck. Never mind that the schools are handing out Chromebooks which aren't adequately (if at all) locked down.

Better off monitoring everything quietly and using parallel construction to address issues as they arise. Just like the NSA.

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