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Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by KingOfCoders »

Santosh83 wrote: post #108

On a related note, isn't this one place where so-called Trusted execution and Web integrity would legitimately be of use? With a completely trusted path of execution coupled with browser integrity, a cheater would theoretically be forced to use an entirely separate device or source for moves, like a second screen, handheld, beads, whatever... which would need to be input moves in realtime and thus making it quite a b…

"entirely separate device"

Like ... an iPhone with a camera that views the monitor, recognized the board and suggests the best move?

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by KingOfCoders »

defrost wrote: post #107
tobias_irmer wrote: post #106

Where exactly is "Zürich, Switherland"?

Most probably in Germany, Austria or Switzerland where the QWERTZ keyboard is widely used and the Z and Y are swapped (leading to an easy one key slip between the H and the Z).

Nice find though I personally always slip left or right, not up or down.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by toxik »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #111
Santosh83 wrote: post #108

On a related note, isn't this one place where so-called Trusted execution and Web integrity would legitimately be of use? With a completely trusted path of execution coupled with browser integrity, a cheater would theoretically be forced to use an entirely separate device or source for moves, like a second screen, handheld, beads, whatever... which would need to be input moves in realtime and thus making it quite a b…

"entirely separate device" Like ... an iPhone with a camera that views the monitor, recognized the board and suggests the best move?

It's the old philosophical impossibility of DRM to ever succeed. As long as the consumer is able to see the media, or the player able to play the game, it can be recorded given enough time and resources, same for cheating.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by defrost »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #112
defrost wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most probably in Germany, Austria or Switzerland where the QWERTZ keyboard is widely used and the Z and Y are swapped (leading to an easy one key slip between the H and the Z).

Nice find though I personally always slip left or right, not up or down.

It struck me as an interesting puzzle; was this a curious locale spelling variation, a typo, a speech to text artifact, etc?

The above is a best guess and the first time I'd come across that keyboard layout.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by sn0n »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #84
trollied wrote: post #3

Hikaru talking about the cheating allegation against him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2R--_fBj0 I'll add that he live streamed the tournament he was accused of cheating in. If you've ever watched how fast he moves and quite often pre-moves & talks through his strategy as he goes, it'd be very surprising to see that he cheated (and I don't even know how he'd go about doing so - he's faster than the engines!).

> Hikaru talking about the cheating allegation against him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2R--_fBj0 He seems very amused by the accusation in that video. Regarding his video to me this sounds like if you were to ask Djokovic to play 46 tennis matches versus players ranked between 5 and 400 in the world, could he win 45 out of 46 matches and draw one game (not possible in tennis but hey)? I mean: Djokovic literall…

I'm going to need a statistical analysis of Hikaru's Tennis matches before I can assume anything. Surely he's cheating at tennis if he's cheating at Chess....

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by makach »

I am pretty sure everyone is cheating against me online; every time I get a player it is obviously a 2600+ player speed running online crushing my dream to reach a rating above 500.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by mda »

0cVlTeIATBs wrote: post #55
mda wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is not faster than engines.

Maybe not usually, but here's an example when he was faster than stockfish [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWghHUcjPZU

chess.com browser based engine is quite bad and default depth is low (and this is from 2 years ago).

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by sesm »

progbits wrote: post #8
__s wrote: post #2

Before anyone gets into how much cheating there is, notice the conclusion > I am convinced that there is no evidence that cheating increased after the chess boom in 2020, compared to the offline baseline. I am also convinced that there is no evidence of pervasive and consistent computer assisted cheating in titled tuesday tournaments. However, re "Since then, a former World Champion published an hour long video, and…

Kramnik has gone off the deep end. The "statistics" he is using make zero sense and whenever someone tried to counter him with actual mathematics he would just delete the comments.

His statistics are simple and make a lot of sense: when playing decisive games for money online some players have high performance increase, while others have high performance decrease. Anyone who attacks him chooses to ignore this statistics, including the author of this blogpost.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Post by sesm »

This article is smoke and mirrors. A lot of shiny graphs, but he chooses to completely ignore the main statistical result of Kramnik: when playing Titled Tuesday games which decide your cash prize, some players have unusually high performance increase, while others have performance decrease, including young world blitz champion Alireza Firouzja who grew up playing online. This statistics is reproducible from open data, the most difficult part is to separate the games that decide players money prizes, for that you'll have to look up the tournament table after each round manually.
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