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Re: New cloud-based CMS from Salesforce - Site.com

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Post by blakeperdue » Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 4:35 AM UTC

Am I missing something? What is in this CMS that is worth $1,500/month? Or is it just they can charge that because of who they are and who they're targeting (enterprise)?

I tested out the app and found it more complicated and not much more powerful than existing free or cheap CMSes.

Re: New cloud-based CMS from Salesforce - Site.com

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Post by mhp » Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 4:35 AM UTC

nopal wrote: post #2

What the hell does "cloud-based CMS" mean?

It's the same marketing doublespeak that Salesforce is employing by their slogan "No Software". I have no idea how they can get away with claiming salesforce.com is not software. I don't even know what that means?!

(Note, I understand that they mean to say you don't need to 'install' anything, but to twist that into claiming there is 'no software' is just goofy).

Re: New cloud-based CMS from Salesforce - Site.com

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Post by edwinnathaniel » Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 4:40 AM UTC

The price seems out of the ballpark considering Office365 include Sharepoint and Lync/PBX.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/office365/all-plans.aspx

Sharepoint seems to have more features and probably more books, trainings, and materials.

Re: New cloud-based CMS from Salesforce - Site.com

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Post by tortilla » Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 4:48 AM UTC

Anyone else having trouble signing up for the trial? The captcha won't validate for me after 15 tries. Also on each validation fail, the number of employees drop down resets.

Feels very "enterprise" for me.

Re: New cloud-based CMS from Salesforce - Site.com

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Post by reneherse » Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 4:57 AM UTC

iamdave wrote: post #4

"Market at the speed of social" Oh my god fire your copywriter this minute. "Design and publish websites, social pages, and mobile experiences in lightning speed with the first Web CMS in the cloud. It's built for social, so you can easily add Twitter streams, Facebook likes, and more." And his boss.

Seems like they picked up a few hires when the Zune marketing team disbanded...

Re: New cloud-based CMS from Salesforce - Site.com

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Post by wmeredith » Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 5:06 AM UTC

iamdave wrote: post #4

"Market at the speed of social" Oh my god fire your copywriter this minute. "Design and publish websites, social pages, and mobile experiences in lightning speed with the first Web CMS in the cloud. It's built for social, so you can easily add Twitter streams, Facebook likes, and more." And his boss.

You're not their target market. Corporate marketing departments are, and they love this shit.

Re: New cloud-based CMS from Salesforce - Site.com

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Post by hippee-lee » Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 5:16 AM UTC

kgrin wrote: post #3

Interesting... on the one hand, $1500+/month seems like crazy money for a CMS to a hacker (particularly when you could, of course, build at least 90% of any given page fairly easily - though I'm not so sure about the "studio", infrastructure, etc.) BUT - to your average BigCo (which, at least judging from the Customers page, is the target market), a few $k/month is a rounding error in the coffee budget - particularly…

Most non tech focused big companies won't use Wordpress. Not only are they locked into the CMS bundles that only run on .NET but the marketing (or marcom departemnt) doesn't communicate very well with the IT department. Since the senior managers believe that front end is independent from the backend and IT re-enforces that, the big co will end up with an out of date website that is clunky for customers and users with annual requests to have a modern website like the cool tech companies. In large companies outside of tech there is very little understanding for what it takes to create and maintain a modern website.

Trust me, I saw this first hand once upon a time when a VP asked for dynamic content for products (in a database) and the IT manager told him it could not be done with JavaScript. This IT manager had over 15 years of e-commerce and website development on his linked in profile.

Re: New cloud-based CMS from Salesforce - Site.com

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Post by twog » Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 5:19 AM UTC

kgrin wrote: post #3

Interesting... on the one hand, $1500+/month seems like crazy money for a CMS to a hacker (particularly when you could, of course, build at least 90% of any given page fairly easily - though I'm not so sure about the "studio", infrastructure, etc.) BUT - to your average BigCo (which, at least judging from the Customers page, is the target market), a few $k/month is a rounding error in the coffee budget - particularly…

1500+ a month doesn't seem to outlandish, especially when compared to the cost of Wordpress Vip http://vip.wordpress.com/ which starts around 3750/m + quite a bit of additional costs.

Re: New cloud-based CMS from Salesforce - Site.com

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Post by phmagic » Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 5:24 AM UTC

I used to work for a enterprise tech consulting firm and this would be a welcomed solution.

Software selection in enterprise is decided by 1. compatibility 2. brand 3. ease of use for stakeholders.

The enterprise market has good software, it's that the software selection/decision making process is seriously flawed.

Re: New cloud-based CMS from Salesforce - Site.com

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Post by maratd » Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 5:37 AM UTC

kgrin wrote: post #3

Interesting... on the one hand, $1500+/month seems like crazy money for a CMS to a hacker (particularly when you could, of course, build at least 90% of any given page fairly easily - though I'm not so sure about the "studio", infrastructure, etc.) BUT - to your average BigCo (which, at least judging from the Customers page, is the target market), a few $k/month is a rounding error in the coffee budget - particularly…

The target market for something like this is the existing SF customer base. Specifically, the ones who use the social features built in to their software suite and need a little help setting up some sites to interface with that.