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Re: Grimoire: Open-Source bookmark manager with extra features

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My perfect bookmark manager is Markdownload https://github.com/deathau/markdownload

Just save the complete page, only selected text or only the link to a markdown file or Obsidian. With downloaded, linked or without pictures. My OS and Obsidian can search those files, they have more (automatically added) metadata.

I can even edit them in the browser: add your thoughts, tags or change the name of the file before they are saved.

I can (automatically) do with them what ever I need. They can be used to (automatically) generate an always up to date start page or a data vault on GitHub.

My local AI assistant can parse them.

Local, versatile, permanent, flexible, cost effective, future save. No need for a bookmark manager.

Re: Grimoire: Open-Source bookmark manager with extra features

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think that argument makes any sense. Do people who use external bookmark managers suddenly stop using search? Also, this isn’t just about Chrome.

For many people, Google is sort of their bookmark manager. Want to open Facebook? Search 'Facebook' and click on the link. Want to open your bank site ? Again google bank name and click on the link. I've see even tech people do this. The only bookmarks I've seen my colleagues use are for internal reference wikis and links which are not readily searchable. I don't know whether this is a search or UX or people problem…

Browser opened to Bing? Type "Google", then type "Facebook" then click on the link. Nevermind that typing "F"+enter in the addressbar would have worked.

It's UX, but Google and Bing want it this way, so...

Re: Grimoire: Open-Source bookmark manager with extra features

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post #25
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think that argument makes any sense. Do people who use external bookmark managers suddenly stop using search? Also, this isn’t just about Chrome.

For many people, Google is sort of their bookmark manager. Want to open Facebook? Search 'Facebook' and click on the link. Want to open your bank site ? Again google bank name and click on the link. I've see even tech people do this. The only bookmarks I've seen my colleagues use are for internal reference wikis and links which are not readily searchable. I don't know whether this is a search or UX or people problem…

I've found I manually type out certain subsets of URLs where possible[0], maybe that's subconsciously associated with my impression that Google Search results have gotten worse and worse over the years.

[0] " rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ and " rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://docs.rs/ come to mind.

Re: Grimoire: Open-Source bookmark manager with extra features

#44

Having a first-class UI for bookmarks really does make a difference. I used to agree with some of the sentiments expressed in comments here - that bookmarking is a write-only activity, that just feels satisfying without actually being useful. Then I started using Zotero for my bookmarks, organizing them into collections, tagging them, adding descriptions ("Abstract"), etc., and I find that I actually go back to them…

If you overlook some idiosyncrasies due to its main purpose (references), Zotero really shines as a bookmark manager. It is mature and has a lot of advanced features. The last one I discovered is enabling hierarchical tags with an addon. [1]

I still welcome any new well-built alternatives like Grimoire, and I agree with you that a first-class UI is important.

[1] https://github.com/windingwind/zotero-actions-tags

Re: Grimoire: Open-Source bookmark manager with extra features

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This looks great and I’ll definitely give it a spin when I get a chance. What I’d really like though is the ability to save the pages locally, I often revisit bookmarks from years ago only to find that the page no longer exists.

I used a Bash script for a long time that would take my new bookmarks each month and download a copy of the page. It came from an idea presented on HN, I would ack-grep it for search.

Stores using it because I use several computers and two OS now, and the utility of it is pretty low for me.

You could make a donation to Archive.org and just a script to check for an "archive-this" tag in your bookmarks, then pass those pages to archive.org??

Re: Grimoire: Open-Source bookmark manager with extra features

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Aside. I completely stopped using book marks. Everything relevant to me will be an open tab, and closed once read or no longer useful; everything not immediately relevant enough to warrant an open tab will probably not be read anyway, or the link broken once I get back to it. This has made my digital life a lot less burdensome to manage, and it also felt freeing to drop all that unorganised baggage. To all those book…

For me it's now a tree of org mode files that quote that actual relevant part of the page, and a link back to the original.

But yes, over two and a half decades of storing URLs with little context other than their place in a hierarchy of topics has led me to the conclusion that data on the internet is ephemeral. If you want to save it, copy it.

Re: Grimoire: Open-Source bookmark manager with extra features

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post #27

This looks great and I’ll definitely give it a spin when I get a chance. What I’d really like though is the ability to save the pages locally, I often revisit bookmarks from years ago only to find that the page no longer exists.

I used a Bash script for a long time that would take my new bookmarks each month and download a copy of the page. It came from an idea presented on HN, I would ack-grep it for search. Stores using it because I use several computers and two OS now, and the utility of it is pretty low for me. You could make a donation to Archive.org and just a script to check for an "archive-this" tag in your bookmarks, then pass those…

Do you still have the script perchance?

Re: Grimoire: Open-Source bookmark manager with extra features

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Aside. I completely stopped using book marks. Everything relevant to me will be an open tab, and closed once read or no longer useful; everything not immediately relevant enough to warrant an open tab will probably not be read anyway, or the link broken once I get back to it. This has made my digital life a lot less burdensome to manage, and it also felt freeing to drop all that unorganised baggage. To all those book…

I’m using only browser bookmarks, and only the always visible bookmark bar. I tried a few others, but the friction, any friction, is too much for me to consistently use them. And yeah, I use bookmarks a lot. For a few different purposes.

First off, I almost never encounter dead links. That’s an absolute rarity and I can’t even remember when that last happened. That’s more for reddit/SO links.

Some that I have as favicon only for regularly visited sites, but not regularly enough to have them as pinned tab.

Following those, I have temporary bookmarks. That’s currently fantastic fiction as a reminder to myself to use it, that will probably be gone next year as I got used to using it.

Then, folders. First is cooking stuff, from before I used a recipe manager. That’s around 100 bookmarks there that are categorized into subfolders.

Music. Mostly YT vids that are not on Bandcamp where I have a wishlist. Usually use those for songrequests on twitch.

Next is the voice folder, a long-term project of replacing alexa with something fully local, everything I researched or even just hardware sources.

Sesotho, for information for learning the language. Only relevant when I’m actually studying something new there.

3 gaming folders for build inspiration from tabletop guides (WotR, Solasta, BG3; videogame guides are way too minmaxy for me)

Following those are random links. I’m now roughly at 1/3rd to 1/2 of my window size, everything that follows is currently relevant stuff that I still want to lookup or make use of. New ones get added to the left. Once something falls into the overflow area, it’s probably irrelevant, but often I do get back to those links before that happens.

So yeah, I love bookmarks.

Re: Grimoire: Open-Source bookmark manager with extra features

#49
For users like me, finding a server like this is the easy part, it's just a glorified CRUD for links. Well-working, up to date extensions and mobile app are all that matter and where most such projects (like wallabag) fail. I just want a selfhosted Pocket with a similar quality UX.

Re: Grimoire: Open-Source bookmark manager with extra features

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Why did browsers fail when it comes to bookmark management? I mean seriously, it is arguably one of the most important features for organising your digital life and the best that a browser vendor can do is “folders”? This has always baffled me. Who enjoys opening their bookmarks and seeing 500 links in an unordered list? Metadata has been a thing for how long now, and yet no browser that I know of has gone ahead and…

Why wouldn't they? What other areas of UI do browsers excel at?
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