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Re: Ask HN: How can my mom downshift as a SQL developer?

#51

https://usds.gov/apply (not tour of duty roles in DC, remote analyst or 18F) https://www.usajobs.gov/ Slower pace but remote available and very much in demand. Should carry your Mom through to retirement. Hope it helps.

USDS is not slower paced or for the faint of heart.

Re: Ask HN: How can my mom downshift as a SQL developer?

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post #51

https://usds.gov/apply (not tour of duty roles in DC, remote analyst or 18F) https://www.usajobs.gov/ Slower pace but remote available and very much in demand. Should carry your Mom through to retirement. Hope it helps.

USDS is not slower paced or for the faint of heart.

I was told they do have some slower paced roles (versus most of the "tip of the spear" work they do) during my last interview cycle, but it has been some time since that has occurred. Appreciate the recent ground truth. Does 18F still have a remote contingent of support/ancillary roles? It's always helpful to know who I can send where for those looking for work vs those needing work done.

Edit: Many thanks for taking the time to reply in depth.

Re: Ask HN: How can my mom downshift as a SQL developer?

#53

https://usds.gov/apply (not tour of duty roles in DC, remote analyst or 18F) https://www.usajobs.gov/ Slower pace but remote available and very much in demand. Should carry your Mom through to retirement. Hope it helps.

Federal government is an excellent choice for a chill place to work as your last job. One perk of theirs is being able to keep their healthcare plan after you retire, and it’s one of the best available in the country.

Re: Ask HN: How can my mom downshift as a SQL developer?

#54
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

State and federal tend to use MS SQL, but I guess some federal agencies have the budget for oracle

The difference would be irrelevant, based on OP’s description. She ought to be able to plug into literally any SQL dialect if she’s doing junior/mid-level analyst work.

I'm not sure that's correct. AFAIK, having deep Oracle knowledge is very valuable to the right employer, but not so much for non-Oracle shops.

From my experience ~20 years ago, Oracle and SQL Server were very different beasts.

IIRC, once you get past trivial querying and into storage design, query optimization, etc., they're very different beasts. And Oracle in particular is it's own, huge world at that level. (Again, if I recall correctly.)

Re: Ask HN: How can my mom downshift as a SQL developer?

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USDS is not slower paced or for the faint of heart.

I was told they do have some slower paced roles (versus most of the "tip of the spear" work they do) during my last interview cycle, but it has been some time since that has occurred. Appreciate the recent ground truth. Does 18F still have a remote contingent of support/ancillary roles? It's always helpful to know who I can send where for those looking for work vs those needing work done. Edit: Many thanks for taking…

18F should; as should DSes at agencies.

If people are looking for hard (the hard mostly comes from the ambiguity of problem space and autonomous nature of our teams) impactful work, send em our way (USDS).

If they’re looking for impactful work, but not necessarily some of the things that make USDS “hard,” our partners are also great places to land.

There’s plenty of work for those that can do it though

Re: Ask HN: How can my mom downshift as a SQL developer?

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post #40

She already was comfy. I'm 51 and I've never actually even heard of a job where you ONLY had to know a specific dialect of SQL. Also, you would think that mere intellectual curiosity would have taken her at least somewhat "abroad" in the knowledge sense, but I see no evidence of that, which means she was basically a corporate mercenary for 20 years who phoned it in. (Note: I've mostly worked for startups, so my stand…

I went back and re-read but I still can’t find where the poster said “judge my mom’s career.”

It's just sad because so many people accept this kind of mediocrity as the norm, when I absolutely believe it doesn't have to be. If you actually enjoy your job, the technology space, and your coworkers (all achievable in theory), then no matter how old you were, those other asks would be givens. And in addition, you'd be 100% likely to be more successful and have some pull when you need some emergency (or necessary) time off.

If money isn't your primary motivator, then heck, let something else be at least!

Re: Ask HN: How can my mom downshift as a SQL developer?

#57
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference would be irrelevant, based on OP’s description. She ought to be able to plug into literally any SQL dialect if she’s doing junior/mid-level analyst work.

I'm not sure that's correct. AFAIK, having deep Oracle knowledge is very valuable to the right employer, but not so much for non-Oracle shops. From my experience ~20 years ago, Oracle and SQL Server were very different beasts. IIRC, once you get past trivial querying and into storage design, query optimization, etc., they're very different beasts. And Oracle in particular is it's own, huge world at that level. (Again…

Sure, and I think that would definitely be relevant to a different kind/level of analyst. Sounds like OP’s mom would be more than covered by knowing how to google “Postgres function for whatever”.

I think for most SQL-only analysts, the vagaries of deep Oracle vs. MSSQL or whatever aren’t super relevant.

Re: Ask HN: How can my mom downshift as a SQL developer?

#58
post #30

Focus on industries in which she has domain expertise. Use her analytical skills to write data-backed reports. She could even do this freelance. Overall I would suggest finding positions where SQL is used but not the entirety of the job description, otherwise she will not be able to differentiate herself from the competition.

Agree.

Re: Ask HN: How can my mom downshift as a SQL developer?

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was told they do have some slower paced roles (versus most of the "tip of the spear" work they do) during my last interview cycle, but it has been some time since that has occurred. Appreciate the recent ground truth. Does 18F still have a remote contingent of support/ancillary roles? It's always helpful to know who I can send where for those looking for work vs those needing work done. Edit: Many thanks for taking…

18F should; as should DSes at agencies. If people are looking for hard (the hard mostly comes from the ambiguity of problem space and autonomous nature of our teams) impactful work, send em our way (USDS). If they’re looking for impactful work, but not necessarily some of the things that make USDS “hard,” our partners are also great places to land. There’s plenty of work for those that can do it though

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Re: Ask HN: How can my mom downshift as a SQL developer?

#60
Your mom sounds like half the devs at every single university IT department. Ive worked with nine different sets now, its pure SQL bespoke reporting, adding new query functionality to whatever ed-tech ERP platform they got. Its basically the same work with maybe some light dev tooling management.
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