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Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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Notably missing is the gender breakdown between the survey answers. Is it split equally, or biased along gender (and perhaps age) lines?

I don't know why you're being downvoted -- if there were ever a poll that should have a male/female breakdown, it's this one, since the issue by definition affects the genders differently.

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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> South Korea has a problem with unwanted, clandestine photography relating to upskirting and when mobile phones were introduced, authorities moved to stop perverts from taking photos of people without permission. 1. My mind is blown that this oddly specific behaviour was apparently so common that the government mandated all cellphone cameras must play shutter sounds that cannot be muted. What the hell? 2. Do third-p…

> My mind is blown that this oddly specific behaviour It's not oddly specific, it's just plain voyeurism. > was apparently so common that the government mandated all cellphone cameras must play shutter sounds that cannot be muted. What the hell? It doesn't have to be common for a law to be put into place. A Similar law exists in Japan as well. > doesn't this law just push pervs to snap video instead of still shots wh…

I've seen a couple people who I think were vigilante in their photo taking, but either I missed something (and the person photographed clearly did too) or they were a bit off their rockers..

To me it seems like a law that attempts to handle something that is also generally discomforting.. I.e. after that kind of an experience one can wonder if the under ground man has a collection of photographs of you for some slight you don't understand.

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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> while unnecessarily degrading user experience across society? Does a shutter sound really degrades the experience unless you were indeed trying to take a stealth photo?

As a Korean, I can say definitely so. A common example that I can give is when you want to take a photo of a document for future reference (or maybe even PDF submission) in a quiet office or room. I can definitely say that the mandatory shutter sounds create a lot of awkward moments.

I had a similar awkwardness when I tried to have a non-audio indicator for something when laptop screen was off.

When I was using my carrying my laptop around public places in town most of the day, before I'd close the laptop lid (which triggered an immediate suspend at some low level), I'd press a hotkey to "secure" the laptop. This locked the screen and started a process to zero various RAM caches, and scrub misc. temp/junk files. (Not that I needed that, but I was figuring out privacy&security at the time.) To indicate to me that it was OK to close the lid and leave, instead of doing a beep that might bother someone in a library or something, I flashed an LED for an instant. The LED available was the white ThinkLight at the top of the LCD, which was bright enough to illuminate the keyboard and nearby workspace.

You might guess how this could appear in a library. Sudden flash, as if from a cameraphone, in someone's peripheral vision, coming from the direction of a guy who is suddenly leaving.

So I disabled that indicator, because it seemed infinitely more risky and harmful than the threat of a spy neutralizing me and using advanced computer forensics on my laptop to recover a fragment of a high-value spam email.

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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> South Korea has a problem with unwanted, clandestine photography relating to upskirting and when mobile phones were introduced, authorities moved to stop perverts from taking photos of people without permission. 1. My mind is blown that this oddly specific behaviour was apparently so common that the government mandated all cellphone cameras must play shutter sounds that cannot be muted. What the hell? 2. Do third-p…

> while unnecessarily degrading user experience across society? Does a shutter sound really degrades the experience unless you were indeed trying to take a stealth photo?

The noise is annoying per se, but also: stealthy != illegitimate. For example think of trying to document something abusive going on around you, and being betrayed by "your" tool.

More fundamentally, it's just not a tool's proper place to second-guess if its wielder is doing something illegitimate. You should be technically able to use your general computing device to launch a doomsday weapon if you so desire, even though that's ethically and legally frowned upon.

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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Also: what if someone starts a screen recording and then opens the camera app?

I think the reason is that on iOS if you are capturing the video it forces the screen on. Where as with the camera you can turn it off. Hence the need for shutter sound.

How can you take a photo on iOS with the screen off?

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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This is one of my pet peeves about iOS as well. You’re able to customize and disable sounds of every noise the phone makes except the camera shutter. You can place the phone in silent mode to disable it, but doing so will obviously disable every other sound as well. Interestingly this also applies to screenshots. This typically leads to this learned behavior now whenever I’m taking a photo or screenshot: Silence phon…

You can’t even set the sound volume of music for example in a game separately from the volume of your alarm. If I want to lower the volume while I play a game or a YouTube video, I have to remember to increase the volume before I fall asleep.

Is there any Tasker-like app for iOS? One of the things I use it for on Android is to give every game its own volume setting, which is automatically applied when I start the game and automatically reverted to the previous setting when I close the game.

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the reason is that on iOS if you are capturing the video it forces the screen on. Where as with the camera you can turn it off. Hence the need for shutter sound.

How can you take a photo on iOS with the screen off?

Technically the screen is on but you can display a black image and turn the brightness all the way down.

On iPhone Pro it will also drop the luminosity even further once it switches to low power 1fps mode:

https://medium.com/codex/how-to-create-an-ios-app-that-takes...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t even set the sound volume of music for example in a game separately from the volume of your alarm. If I want to lower the volume while I play a game or a YouTube video, I have to remember to increase the volume before I fall asleep.

Is there any Tasker-like app for iOS? One of the things I use it for on Android is to give every game its own volume setting, which is automatically applied when I start the game and automatically reverted to the previous setting when I close the game.

Yes, shortcuts is built into iOS. I have a shortcut to send me an email when I start charging my phone and when I stop charging my phone. I can’t get the current charge percentage though in the email body as a variable. :/

It is not for work or anything I just wanted to see what I could do with shortcuts automation.

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you take a photo on iOS with the screen off?

Technically the screen is on but you can display a black image and turn the brightness all the way down. On iPhone Pro it will also drop the luminosity even further once it switches to low power 1fps mode: https://medium.com/codex/how-to-create-an-ios-app-that-takes...

Ah, I suppose you could also just use the accessibility switch to turn the white point all the way down, and lower your screen brightness all the way. At that point, the screen basically appears black.

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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> South Korea has a problem with unwanted, clandestine photography relating to upskirting and when mobile phones were introduced, authorities moved to stop perverts from taking photos of people without permission. 1. My mind is blown that this oddly specific behaviour was apparently so common that the government mandated all cellphone cameras must play shutter sounds that cannot be muted. What the hell? 2. Do third-p…

> My mind is blown that this oddly specific behaviour was apparently so common that the government mandated all cellphone cameras must play shutter sounds that cannot be muted. What the hell It was and is extremely common. It's happened to my partner, many of her friends and has been an issue for years. And is not just contained to cell phone cameras but hidden cameras in general. Public bathrooms are such a hotspot…

Both Korean and Japanese societies are quite paternalist, so I'm not surprised. In Korea they have all kinds of exaggerated expectations from women and the largest gender pay gap in the OECD.

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/03/1135162927/women-feminism-sou...

There's also a book by Korean author Kim Jiyoung called Born in 1984 outlining this.

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