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Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Why did this study take so long? So much spent on war in the meantime

What calculus do you propose everyone uses to work out where the funds should be allocated? Who decides? How do we account for technology that was created as part of the war effort i.e. computers, jet engines, the internet etc?

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Why did this study take so long? So much spent on war in the meantime

Without war, societies implode; they get taken over. Keeping a society going means lots of ‘work’.

Did the Egyptians, Macedonians, Romans, Mughal, etc., stand long on the shoulders of peace?

It doesn’t happen.

Why did Siberians come over to the Americas? To explore and spread peace? Populations encroach and you stand and fight or seek out new land. We've run out of new land so equilibrium is achieved through other means, including war.

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Why did this study take so long? So much spent on war in the meantime

Without war, societies implode; they get taken over. Keeping a society going means lots of ‘work’. Did the Egyptians, Macedonians, Romans, Mughal, etc., stand long on the shoulders of peace? It doesn’t happen. Why did Siberians come over to the Americas? To explore and spread peace? Populations encroach and you stand and fight or seek out new land. We've run out of new land so equilibrium is achieved through other me…

Are you implying that war is necessary?

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Without war, societies implode; they get taken over. Keeping a society going means lots of ‘work’. Did the Egyptians, Macedonians, Romans, Mughal, etc., stand long on the shoulders of peace? It doesn’t happen. Why did Siberians come over to the Americas? To explore and spread peace? Populations encroach and you stand and fight or seek out new land. We've run out of new land so equilibrium is achieved through other me…

Are you implying that war is necessary?

Unless you have superpowers to sway people like Putin, Xi, the CIA, Ayatollah, etc., yes, else those with aspirations will trample the pacifists.

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Without war, societies implode; they get taken over. Keeping a society going means lots of ‘work’. Did the Egyptians, Macedonians, Romans, Mughal, etc., stand long on the shoulders of peace? It doesn’t happen. Why did Siberians come over to the Americas? To explore and spread peace? Populations encroach and you stand and fight or seek out new land. We've run out of new land so equilibrium is achieved through other me…

Are you implying that war is necessary?

Some kind of external 'work' is necessary. War is the easiest form of such work, easiest meaning requiring the least momentum to get a society behind it.

I would love to see us go to war on climate change, but that's not likely as long as we have charismatic politicians fighting to build a base by stirring hateful emotions. Whether that hate is against abortions, Palestinians, african-americans, muslims, or others.

As a society I think we have become more apathetic, more sad, and as result more interested in things that distract us from how bad it is. As a result people like Musk gain a cult following, and much attention. We want to do amazing things against climate change, we want to colonize the rest of the solar system..but NASA's budget this year was $30.9B, next year it's $25B, and over the last two years Musk has lost around $180B (Over 7x the NASA budget for next year).

Our problem is not the technology. It usually isn't. It's our prioritization and attention to avoid uncomfortable truths.

Re: Intentional creation of carbon-rich dark earth soils in the Amazon

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Are you implying that war is necessary?

Some kind of external 'work' is necessary. War is the easiest form of such work, easiest meaning requiring the least momentum to get a society behind it. I would love to see us go to war on climate change, but that's not likely as long as we have charismatic politicians fighting to build a base by stirring hateful emotions. Whether that hate is against abortions, Palestinians, african-americans, muslims, or others. A…

Absolutely amazing. Hey kids we’re not killing enough innocent civilians and as a result people are beginning to follow “dreadful” people like elon musk.

Do wars produce innovation? Sure. Is any of that innovation worth a single life? Bet ya wouldn’t think so if it was your loved one.

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